Board for beinner - suitability

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hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
13 Jan 2005 11:51am
Hi I was just wondering if the Cabrinha Double Agent Twin Tip 165 would be a suitable board for a total beginner. Ie. is it a good board to learn how to get upwind on, has anyone had experiences with these? http://4kiteboarding.com/kidoag.html (specs can be found here)
Rider will have ~10m kite and weighs 72kg
Cheers
TimLewis
TimLewis
WA
111 posts
WA, 111 posts
13 Jan 2005 12:33pm
That board will be too big for you.

You will be able to get up on it and cruise around in light winds - but you will probably grow out of it in 2 months.

The largest board that woud be suitable for you with a 10m as your smallest kite would be around 145cm.

Check out the used boards available post in East Coast for sale.

hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
13 Jan 2005 12:47pm
ok then... at this stage i will only be buying 1 board and 1 kite to learn with ie. thrash around then i will be upgrading possibly early next season. The guy at hold the line kites (forgot his name) said for me to go 10m^2 so does that mean a 165cm board would be too big? i should point out also that i have no previous boadriding experience, which is why i thought i might need something big.
perhaps around the 150cm mark then?
Squid
Squid
NSW
26 posts
NSW, 26 posts
13 Jan 2005 3:59pm
You need a 04 150 Airush Switch - hang on a minute I've got one of those for sale

See the buy and sell forum WA
hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
13 Jan 2005 1:01pm
hahahaha very smooth....
be a good salesman and tell me why i want it....
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
WA, 498 posts
13 Jan 2005 1:26pm
Hosko, I had no real board skills apart from windsurfing. I went with a 142*38 and got going no probs. I'm a little heavier at 85, and have two kites, a 9m and a 13m. The 9m gets me going on the board at about 18knots, 20 is perfect. I'd go as small as you're willing as the board will last you longer, but don't go so small that it'll take you forever to get upwind.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
13 Jan 2005 1:30pm
Wasnt going to reply but why not - my 2c on this issue -
1st up beginners go BIG & floaty - absolutely no doubt IMHO.
You may not need it for long but BIG will keep you up & flying your kite a whole lot more of the time. Up ON the water will save heaps of otherwise wasted time IN the water. Also save heaps of frustration because you feel you're not advancing quick enough.
IMO big boards are NOT about board skills they are about kite skills. You will naturally pick up the basic board moves, balance etc. as you learn to fly anyhow - big or small.
PLUS ...
Imagine the buzz when you're kitings sort of sorted & you drop down to your 1st lightweight 135/38 Addiction -

For the record I am only just beyond newbie myself so may be all wrong here - but I dont think so
AND I DONT just happen to have one for sale
(Im keeping my 170TT for lightwind & teaching & just for fun)


"He who enjoys most - WINS"
loose fin
loose fin
QLD
219 posts
QLD, 219 posts
13 Jan 2005 3:42pm
I dont see anything wrong with buying a big board at 1st-

i mean lets face it, you can get one for < $200

so whats the drama

and like others have said, youll be up and going way more on the board initially so your skills will progress.

And keep the board for later on lite wind sessions.



Speaking of that

whos got a 135 ish, 38 so that i can move onto my next board size down.

Cant wait

But still love getting air on the big floaty directional.

nothing beats it, and learning to gybe a kite will be invaluable skills for later on
peco
peco
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
13 Jan 2005 1:49pm
I learned on an airush square two. It is a great board, easy to plane, easy upwind, stable, forgiving and solid resale for later on when you do grow out of it (you'll grow, want, need, desire and lust after more equipment!). It is easy to ride so you can develop kite skills faster. I'm in my second season and will be working down to my third board with the same kite! I agree with the puppet, big first. There is an s2 for sale in the forum.
Good luck!!
hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
13 Jan 2005 2:25pm
Thanks for all the info guys and or girls???
i might have a look at the board mentioned in the initial post it seems big enough for my weight. might see if i can organise a test before i buy.
cheers
Squid
Squid
NSW
26 posts
NSW, 26 posts
13 Jan 2005 6:05pm
Hey Hosko, the 150 switch is slightly smaller but basically the same shape as the square 2 - Just does't look crap like the square 2[}:)] You know it's more important to look good on the beach than kite well HaHa
hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
13 Jan 2005 3:09pm
hahaha so as long as i know how to stand next to my board and the board looks good then thats all that matters ay?
hmmmm nah
thanks for thee offer but its a bit expensive for me atm if i remember right... you could always drop the price a little (lot )hehe
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
13 Jan 2005 3:24pm
No BIG board for sale but I do have just the kite for YOU !
12M Cabrinah Access - I was a bit lighter than you & it was perfect. (14>20kts when 1st started a bit more now about 13>23)
It will have you out more days than a 10M at your weight (IMHO). Its the lowest aspect Cabrinah designed specially for 1st up kiters.
03 model bought as new superceded in Feb 04. used about 25 times.
Yours for only $750 and thats complete all original bar etc.
ph 0400 227 296

"He who enjoys most - WINS"
hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
13 Jan 2005 3:29pm
The guy at hold the line kites was adament that i shouldnt get anything bigger than 10m, so not sure at the moment. Also for my first kite i'm probably looking to spend less than that for something i can bash around with for a while before i become half decent.
Thanks for the offer though! keep them coming
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
13 Jan 2005 8:42pm
Hosko, my Delta Twin Tip 150 could be what you're looking for. Even with 500 waves on the clock, it still rips and points like a beagle. At $150, the price is rite.
Call 9534 3457.
hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
13 Jan 2005 9:11pm
150 ayyyyyyyyyyyyy
thats cheap even if it did turn out to a pos (not saying it will) thats not bad.... is there a website with info on this board?
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
14 Jan 2005 8:32am
Hosko, try www.deltadesigns.com.au
hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
14 Jan 2005 3:17pm
which model though aren't there a few?
howley
howley
WA
316 posts
WA, 316 posts
14 Jan 2005 3:23pm
Remember Re-sale on big old boards (especially double agents) is no good, and its not that hard to learn on a wide 135 or 145.

L
Air Catcher
Air Catcher
WA
60 posts
WA, 60 posts
14 Jan 2005 6:09pm
Hosko m
check the board out first and test it you'll see why this board(double agent)is for u, and also try the delta, see which one u want, then decide. if u dont like it u dont have to buy it.
and resale value will always be there cos theres always people who are just beginning who need big boards to learn on, not small ones..
they go down alot. when your are immediate- advanced you dont want a 130- 145 that is years old, u want a current one. and learning on small boards can be difficult, very difficult tho windsurfing experiance might help.

waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
15 Jan 2005 9:05am
Originally posted by hosko

which model though aren't there a few?
The Delta is a wave tray 2002 model 150x36x2cm.
Rosy
Rosy
WA
175 posts
WA, 175 posts
15 Jan 2005 3:03pm
Hey hosko, its kat (using my sisters log on name)
i reckon that howley is rite, you can learn on a board not so big, but quite wide, which gives good buoyancy. However, though i learnt on a small board, it takes a LOT! longer to learn to cut up wind.

Also, with a smaller board, my board is TT128 and about 38cm wide(?) dont quote you wont have to upgrade, ive had this board for my 2nd season now and it rips thumbs up 2 it for sure!

its personal pref. in the end really, but dont buy nething your not totally happy with, in the end your the one who has to ride it...

Also with your kite choice, i cant remember how much you weigh?? but a 12m would be really good. Only becoz i learnt on a 9m, but i wish i had learnt on a 10m @ least!! Though now i own a 9m and 11m, which suits the wind conditions here fine

So if your not totally comfortably with an 11 or 12m kite stick with the 10m, but i reckon a 12m would help oneself that lil'bit faster on a board bout 138-140...

Good luck with your sailings etc, Kite-surfing=Good times

regards Kat
dookz
dookz
WA
13 posts
WA, 13 posts
24 Jan 2005 11:50am
hey i recently bought an 05' Slingshot SX 137cm... i am kindof doubtfull as to weather i can handle it, because i am a beginner, but everyone at the shop was pretty helpfull and all said that at first it'd be a bit difficult but i'd learn quickly, and i'd like it after... but something that interested me is that this board is actualy fairly wide, about 40cm. Up untill now i have been riding a 150cm Cabrinha Lab rat, which is about 35cm wide, my logics is that volume wise, the SX is minimally smaller than the Lab anyway, so it shouldn't be too much problem. Not to mention Slingshot boards have a supposedly "extended edge". Anyway, i still haven't had a chance to try the board, as i had to order it, but i will be getting it tomorow, and hopefully i wont have too many problems.

05' Slingshot Fuel rider
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