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Bye Bye North 5 line Rebel

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Created by sonny2727 A week ago, 7 Aug 2017
sonny2727
VIC, 97 posts
7 Aug 2017 9:46PM
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Now that the Rebel is 4 lines there's no point having 5 line bars..or taking about the direct feel and all that crap



And bridals are great now

cauncy
WA, 5260 posts
7 Aug 2017 8:24PM
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There goes the rebels windrange

Hardcarve1
QLD, 325 posts
8 Aug 2017 6:33AM
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The 2018 Rebel can be 4 or 5 line your choice. Wind range is still great. Its good marketing from North in that if you only have 4 line bar you can go buy a Rebel without spending on a new 5 line bar. The 5th line is not loaded so they fly the same on 4 or 5 lines.

cauncy
WA, 5260 posts
8 Aug 2017 6:51AM
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Hardcarve1 said..
The 2018 Rebel can be 4 or 5 line your choice. Wind range is still great. Its good marketing from North in that if you only have 4 line bar you can go buy a Rebel without spending on a new 5 line bar. The 5th line is not loaded so they fly the same on 4 or 5 lines.


But sacrifice stability in its upper ranges, most long term rebel riders in wa ride this kite due to this, I've not rode a 4 line bridled kite of any brand with the ability a loaded 5 line kite has, they're rock solid, a few locals are disappointed in this move

Hardcarve1
QLD, 325 posts
8 Aug 2017 11:57AM
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cauncy said..

Hardcarve1 said..
The 2018 Rebel can be 4 or 5 line your choice. Wind range is still great. Its good marketing from North in that if you only have 4 line bar you can go buy a Rebel without spending on a new 5 line bar. The 5th line is not loaded so they fly the same on 4 or 5 lines.



But sacrifice stability in its upper ranges, most long term rebel riders in wa ride this kite due to this, I've not rode a 4 line bridled kite of any brand with the ability a loaded 5 line kite has, they're rock solid, a few locals are disappointed in this move


I had the 2018 11m with 22m & 24m 5 line bar fully powered up at Ants FNQ for a week of solid 20-25 knots (WA wind) and it felt rock solid. I just went for big jumps so was always carrying extra kite size, at no point did it feel nervous and felt just like the old Rebel, my previous 11 was a 2013 so not sure if the difference between the 2017 is noticeable.

eppo
WA, 6268 posts
8 Aug 2017 11:12AM
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felt like the 2013...oh boy...


Higher Y, No bridals, loaded fifth to...

Lower Y, bridals, no loaded fifth..

and it feels like a rebel....

Yeh bullsh1t.



That's some serious canopy engineering happening then, to get them to feel the same.

Falling sales, I get the reason why.

Might end up a better kite, will only know until it's flown.

wishy
WA, 1166 posts
8 Aug 2017 12:21PM
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There is something special about the 5 line rebel which I doubt they can replicate using 4.
It feels excellent overpowered, like 30+ knots on a 10m is really comfortable.
It steers really well when fully sheeted out.

snalberski
WA, 387 posts
8 Aug 2017 12:31PM
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A 4 line Rebel with a non loaded 5th line option is a Fuse.... so although Fuses ceased to be offered 2 years ago now you can get them again... but their called a Rebel... and you can no longer get a Rebel... but you can get a Fuse with Rebel graphics??!!
Wow I'm confused

Deeg
WA, 27 posts
8 Aug 2017 1:47PM
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cauncy said..

Hardcarve1 said..
The 2018 Rebel can be 4 or 5 line your choice. Wind range is still great. Its good marketing from North in that if you only have 4 line bar you can go buy a Rebel without spending on a new 5 line bar. The 5th line is not loaded so they fly the same on 4 or 5 lines.



But sacrifice stability in its upper ranges, most long term rebel riders in wa ride this kite due to this, I've not rode a 4 line bridled kite of any brand with the ability a loaded 5 line kite has, they're rock solid, a few locals are disappointed in this move


Time to get on the Vegas' then

cauncy
WA, 5260 posts
8 Aug 2017 2:27PM
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Deeg said..



cauncy said..




Hardcarve1 said..
The 2018 Rebel can be 4 or 5 line your choice. Wind range is still great. Its good marketing from North in that if you only have 4 line bar you can go buy a Rebel without spending on a new 5 line bar. The 5th line is not loaded so they fly the same on 4 or 5 lines.






But sacrifice stability in its upper ranges, most long term rebel riders in wa ride this kite due to this, I've not rode a 4 line bridled kite of any brand with the ability a loaded 5 line kite has, they're rock solid, a few locals are disappointed in this move





Time to get on the Vegas' then




Own and fly a 2013 7/9/12 QUIVER, the 9 seems to not have an upper limit, who knows if will be as good as the older 5th loaded system, 30 knts, 9/10 mtr both kites side by side, my money would be on the loaded 5, it may have improved in other regions , easier set up, relaunch etc etc, carnt fault imho the flagging on a 5th

8 Aug 2017 2:43PM
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Hi Guys,

This is pretty big news for North. The Rebel has now gone to 4-Lines. I've spoken to guys who have ridden it already and they claim it is every bit as good as the 5-Line Rebel, perhaps better???

Why not race into your local shop, grab a demo on one and write a review based on how it really performs in your hands. Most North dealers will have a Rebel for demo by now I would say. Ours has been out a couple of times to very positive feedback. My prediction is that the 4-Line Rebel will be very popular as many riders who don't like 5-Lines, but do want the performance that they offer.

I'm with Cauncy, I've not found the upper wind limit on a 9 Rebel. I just don't think it gets that windy

DM

wishy
WA, 1166 posts
8 Aug 2017 4:43PM
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ActionSportsWA said..
Hi Guys,

This is pretty big news for North. The Rebel has now gone to 4-Lines. I've spoken to guys who have ridden it already and they claim it is every bit as good as the 5-Line Rebel, perhaps better???

Why not race into your local shop, grab a demo on one and write a review based on how it really performs in your hands. Most North dealers will have a Rebel for demo by now I would say. Ours has been out a couple of times to very positive feedback. My prediction is that the 4-Line Rebel will be very popular as many riders who don't like 5-Lines, but do want the performance that they offer.

I'm with Cauncy, I've not found the upper wind limit on a 9 Rebel. I just don't think it gets that windy

DM


Very true,
I'm coming to borrow one!

I feel that the main drawback of the 5 line is it takes upto an extra 38 seconds to run the lines out.
When I finish work in winter at 5:30pm, and get to the beach at 5:50pm, every second of daylight counts.

Matt988
WA, 119 posts
8 Aug 2017 7:41PM
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So any news on what will happen to the vegas regarding loaded 5ths? It would be the only kite left using it in norths range. And seems like their bars are all 4 line with optional 5th line now?

and if the rebel is now 4 line where's the evo sit in the line up. Rebel listed as wide arc and evo a delta shape rest seems to be the same

shi thouse
WA, 595 posts
8 Aug 2017 8:25PM
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Vegas stays much the same with a loaded fifth...

Looks like the Evo takes on more of a wave oriented slant by going to three struts. Looks like they are trying to capture more of the wannabe wave/downwind market and get a bit closer to their current cash cow the Neo.

THE PIN PULLER
WA, 106 posts
8 Aug 2017 8:32PM
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shi thouse said..
Vegas stays much the same with a loaded fifth...

Looks like the Evo takes on more of a wave oriented slant by going to three struts. Looks like they are trying to capture more of the wannabe wave/downwind market and get a bit closer to their current cash cow the Neo.


Vegas NOW THERES A KITE !!!!

Matt988
WA, 119 posts
8 Aug 2017 8:52PM
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shi thouse said..
Vegas stays much the same with a loaded fifth...

Looks like the Evo takes on more of a wave oriented slant by going to three struts. Looks like they are trying to capture more of the wannabe wave/downwind market and get a bit closer to their current cash cow the Neo.


Good to know they haven't messed with it drastically. Nothing beats a 9 vegas.

Makes sense they had to change the evo then. A 4 line rebel and the 2017 evo read as a near identical kite on norths website

eppo
WA, 6268 posts
9 Aug 2017 8:15AM
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Matt988 said..

shi thouse said..
Vegas stays much the same with a loaded fifth...

Looks like the Evo takes on more of a wave oriented slant by going to three struts. Looks like they are trying to capture more of the wannabe wave/downwind market and get a bit closer to their current cash cow the Neo.



Good to know they haven't messed with it drastically. Nothing beats a 9 vegas.

Makes sense they had to change the evo then. A 4 line rebel and the 2017 evo read as a near identical kite on norths website


hope so, the evo is one sick kite.

daddycool
WA, 287 posts
9 Aug 2017 12:24PM
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Was a late adopter of the Rebel - cos of the 5 lines - have to say as a fan of full power kiting and boosting its very very very good.

JOYRIDER
688 posts
11 Aug 2017 4:05PM
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shi thouse said..

Looks like the Evo takes on more of a wave oriented slant by going to three struts. Looks like they are trying to capture more of the wannabe wave/downwind market and get a bit closer to their current cash cow the Neo.


Sounds like the EVO is the kite for most people on here.Seeing as everyone is "wannabe wave/downwinders" and can't actually ride waves properly.

wishy
WA, 1166 posts
Monday , 14 Aug 2017 8:39PM
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Tried the 10m tonight. Feels faster and livelier than the 2017. Definitely more twitchy than the 2017, almost a bit neo-ish the way it generates heavy grunt when you flog it around a bit.

Boost is the reliable old rebel - outrageously good. Was definitely getting around 10 metres off the water, maybe more. Wind was dead onshore so couldn't really flog it off a kicker for a king sh!t air.

Loops pretty well, seems the go round with a bit more of a yank than the 5 line model but that could just be how gusty it was.

Construction good, looks exactly same spec as 2017, apparently the fabric is better though with better reinforcement or something.

This the new colour




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