Can you over inflate a kite?

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Lazarus
Lazarus
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27 Nov 2011 2:14am
Well, can you?

Can you pump so much that you burst it (a kite, I mean)?
kiter zac
kiter zac
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27 Nov 2011 7:41am
yes
Smithy
Smithy
VIC
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27 Nov 2011 9:12am
That would be when it goes BANG!!!!
Cyclops
Cyclops
SA
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27 Nov 2011 8:54am
If you think you should pump one more time to be sure-DONT! . Learnt the lesson myself.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
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27 Nov 2011 1:00pm
can't say I have seen an over inflated kite in years. Todays kites can handle more pressure than the kite pump can deliver. Mind you I saw someone come in with a leak the other day and when he crashed the kite on the beach it was almost dead flat.
bennie
bennie
ACT
1258 posts
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27 Nov 2011 4:09pm
Lazarus said...

Well, can you?

Can you pump so much that you burst it (a kite, I mean)?


I think it's definatly possible. Personally I pump my kite up all most as much as I can, But my pump is about 5 years old and probably doesn't work quite as well as a new one, it doesn't have the same power under pressure(probably not a bad thing) . I think that if your kite is constructed properly It would be very hard to do. Mine has triple stitched seams.
surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
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27 Nov 2011 4:50pm
I just keep pumping until I reach that point were you can't make full down strokes with the pump. Then I give it the fold test, if it resists folding in half it is pumped up enough.

Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
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27 Nov 2011 5:09pm
Can I? Probably not. I'm fairly big. Not super strong. I'd probably give myself a hernia before I succeeded in over inflating a kite.

Can you?
bennie
bennie
ACT
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27 Nov 2011 5:44pm
surfingboye said...

I just keep pumping until I reach that point were you can't make full down strokes with the pump. Then I give it the fold test, if it resists folding in half it is pumped up enough.




I give it the flick test. if she makes a 'ping' sound she's good to go
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
27 Nov 2011 2:50pm
Get a pressure gauge works a treat ,naish ones have the kite sizes on the gauge so just pump to the indicated size and your good to go,gauge is about $25 good investment.
jleeee
jleeee
QLD
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27 Nov 2011 5:43pm
definitely possible! popped my 9m at nationals this year, one pump to many in an attempt to straighten a twisted strut resulted in a twisted strut + a gaping whole in both the leading edge bladder and the material as well.. this happened 10 minutes after my 12 exploded on the beach. wasn't meant to ride that day!
dave......
dave......
WA
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27 Nov 2011 5:36pm
A metal, not plastic pressure gauge will work, no brand names mentioned. All kites will explode if the leading edge or struts have scratches or small tears in them. Most if not all kite brands during the R & D phase use electric pumps set to 9.5 psi to give the kite ridgidity. an under unflated kite flaps like a jellyfish, and a severely under-inflated kite is dangerous.
jas73
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27 Nov 2011 10:25pm
Something else i have heard is that if you have your kite pumped up solid in the middle of summer or when it's really hot, it is a good idea to let a little bit of air out if it's going to sit there for a long length of time because the heat will expand the air in the bladder risking it exploding.
SpawnofFossl
SpawnofFossl
SA
116 posts
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28 Nov 2011 3:36pm
i blew the leading edge on my Crossbow from over inflation but this was an 08 kite. The main reason for this was due to a small worn patch in the leading edge which the bladder "bubbled" through and then blew a hole about a meter in length

My new switchy pump seems to resist as mentioned earlier when you cant make a full stroke without applying a lot of pressure. This seems to be the right time to test the wing tip and do the ping test for me.
Doudou
Doudou
WA
46 posts
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28 Nov 2011 11:35pm
jas73 said...

Something else i have heard is that if you have your kite pumped up solid in the middle of summer or when it's really hot, it is a good idea to let a little bit of air out if it's going to sit there for a long length of time because the heat will expand the air in the bladder risking it exploding.


Yes, if you are to live your kite on the beach (not recommended but well, some people do... ) deflate it a bit. if you have done some physics, then you might know
PV= nRT P. Pressure, V.Volume, n. number of mols R. a constant, T. temperature)
Basically, here, V, the volume of your bladder, is constant. n is constant too as no matter what temperature you reach, you'll still have the same amount of matter in the bladder (air molecules) R...is a constant by definition. so if T rises, then P, the pressure, rises too.

So basically, deflating it just a bit doesn't hurt, you'll have to give a few pumps to go back kiting, but it might save you the bladder

Same thing for beginners that don't inflate their kites a lot ("OMG if I keep pumping it wil exploooode") in summer, and have their kite sit (crash) in the water, a lot... the water being colder, you'll lose pressure and the kite will seem to have been deflated

Cheers
Shayne86
Shayne86
WA
189 posts
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29 Nov 2011 10:01am
Hi guys.

Glad i found this thread coz i was thinking the same thing. Im only new to kiting but have been for many lessons with the local IKO instructor and he always says that the pump will let you know when the kite is full, ie cant physicaly cycle the pump up and down.

Being a noob I understand that i know sweet F A so i just did this the 1st few times

HOWEVER, i now have North Fuse 10m and a 7m and the pump comes with a pressure guage. The "green" zone on the guage is from 4-5psi, "yellow" zone is from 5-7psi and everything after that is marked red. If i inflate it too the green it feels nowere near full enough so I use the pump technique which ends up around 6 or 7psi. Seeing it go into the yellow makes me slightly worry im overdoing it.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Cheers guys
jsnfok
jsnfok
WA
899 posts
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29 Nov 2011 11:33am
kiter zac said...

yes


HAHAHAHAHA, i laugh quite hard when i saw this
jsnfok
jsnfok
WA
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WA, 899 posts
29 Nov 2011 11:34am
Doudou said...

jas73 said...

Something else i have heard is that if you have your kite pumped up solid in the middle of summer or when it's really hot, it is a good idea to let a little bit of air out if it's going to sit there for a long length of time because the heat will expand the air in the bladder risking it exploding.


Yes, if you are to live your kite on the beach (not recommended but well, some people do... ) deflate it a bit. if you have done some physics, then you might know
PV= nRT P. Pressure, V.Volume, n. number of mols R. a constant, T. temperature)
Basically, here, V, the volume of your bladder, is constant. n is constant too as no matter what temperature you reach, you'll still have the same amount of matter in the bladder (air molecules) R...is a constant by definition. so if T rises, then P, the pressure, rises too.

So basically, deflating it just a bit doesn't hurt, you'll have to give a few pumps to go back kiting, but it might save you the bladder

Same thing for beginners that don't inflate their kites a lot ("OMG if I keep pumping it wil exploooode") in summer, and have their kite sit (crash) in the water, a lot... the water being colder, you'll lose pressure and the kite will seem to have been deflated

Cheers


oooooooo tek-ni-cal
LostDog
LostDog
WA
445 posts
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29 Nov 2011 1:18pm
Shayne86 said...

Hi guys.

Glad i found this thread coz i was thinking the same thing. Im only new to kiting but have been for many lessons with the local IKO instructor and he always says that the pump will let you know when the kite is full, ie cant physicaly cycle the pump up and down.

Being a noob I understand that i know sweet F A so i just did this the 1st few times

HOWEVER, i now have North Fuse 10m and a 7m and the pump comes with a pressure guage. The "green" zone on the guage is from 4-5psi, "yellow" zone is from 5-7psi and everything after that is marked red. If i inflate it too the green it feels nowere near full enough so I use the pump technique which ends up around 6 or 7psi. Seeing it go into the yellow makes me slightly worry im overdoing it.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Cheers guys


Shayne, dont North kites have the inflation pressure printed on the leading edge at the inflation valve? Mine do. If you have a guage, use it to get the real pressure equal to the printed guidance.

TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
29 Nov 2011 1:47pm
Shayne86 said...

Hi guys.

Glad i found this thread coz i was thinking the same thing. Im only new to kiting but have been for many lessons with the local IKO instructor and he always says that the pump will let you know when the kite is full, ie cant physicaly cycle the pump up and down.

Being a noob I understand that i know sweet F A so i just did this the 1st few times

HOWEVER, i now have North Fuse 10m and a 7m and the pump comes with a pressure guage. The "green" zone on the guage is from 4-5psi, "yellow" zone is from 5-7psi and everything after that is marked red. If i inflate it too the green it feels nowere near full enough so I use the pump technique which ends up around 6 or 7psi. Seeing it go into the yellow makes me slightly worry im overdoing it.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Cheers guys

re the guages : have you ever seen a tire guage read the same as another?
Kite guages are the same just like windmeters they all difer and are only a guide
Shayne86
Shayne86
WA
189 posts
WA, 189 posts
29 Nov 2011 5:19pm
LostDog said...

Shayne, dont North kites have the inflation pressure printed on the leading edge at the inflation valve? Mine do. If you have a guage, use it to get the real pressure equal to the printed guidance.




I honestly havent looked mate. Ill check it out next time i get out on the water. cheers mate
Lazarus
Lazarus
160 posts
160 posts
30 Nov 2011 4:15am
Gorgo said...

Can I? Probably not. I'm fairly big. Not super strong. I'd probably give myself a hernia before I succeeded in over inflating a kite.

Can you?


haven't yet. dont think i can, but i dont really want my kite to go "bang".
Lazarus
Lazarus
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160 posts
30 Nov 2011 4:22am
Great! Thanks for all the wisdom.
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