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Daniegirl
Daniegirl
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24 Oct 2011 7:45pm
Hey you lovely Aussies!

I am moving to Aussie from New Zealand next year. I want to be somewhere that I can study and easily get to kiting spots. I am beginner-intermediate. And am at the moment debating between Sydney and Perth? Any tips on Universities/beaches/where to live in Sydney or Perth would be appreciated.
See you on the other side!

Danielle
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
24 Oct 2011 11:08pm
Hey Danielle,

I'm a long serving kiwi living in Melbourne and I can't say I regret coming here. Where are you coming from in NZ?

If you are choosing between Sydney and Perth, Perth is the better option for kiting, the wind is awesome and so are the beaches, but I can't speak for the unis there.

Sydney has some kite spots and Sydney Uni and UNSW are great unis to attend - I'm currently finishing off my Masters at UNSW.

The issues you are going to have are getting around and the cost of living. Sydney is an expensive city to live in, and Perth is crazy expensive because of the mining boom. Both cities to kite require a car to get to the beaches (Leighton Beach in Perth is accessible by train) I don't want to put you off, I just want to keep you in the know.

I know Melbourne isn't an option but you could attend uni (Uni of Melbourne, RMIT and Vic Uni) and catch a tram to St Kilda pretty easily. The cost of living is still pretty high, but the accessibility to St Kilda beach and even Brighton can be done without a car. And St Kilda has a pretty tight crew, you get to know a few people through Kite Republic and you'll be getting lifts to the other spots.

I guess it all comes down to when you think you will be here, with first semester starting in March and all. By that stage the sea breezes are winding down in Melbourne and Perth.

Anyway, I hope you get some good responses from others here to help you make up your mind.
Daniegirl
Daniegirl
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24 Oct 2011 8:41pm

Cheers mate!

Given me some food for thought anyway. I thought that Perth was meant to be cheaper then Sydney with cost of living. I guess with the boom it isn't soon. Should be relatively easy to find a job though?

I am moving over from Queenstown. I just flew back into New Zealand from Vietnam. And was spending 2 years in the UK.. where I learnt to kitesurf. Whereabouts in NZ are you from?

If I don't get into the university I want to this time around I will apply again in 2013.. but would probably move to Aus next year anyway to get settled/do a bit of travelling. When is the best month for wind in different parts of Aus? Plan is a bit all over the place at this stage!
dusta
dusta
WA
2940 posts
WA, 2940 posts
24 Oct 2011 10:59pm
lostinlondon said...
Perth is crazy expensive because of the mining boom. .


it's not due to the mining boom , it's due to alot of things . The main one being isolation form the rest of the country
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
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VIC, 1159 posts
25 Oct 2011 9:01am
Daniegirl said...


Cheers mate!

Given me some food for thought anyway. I thought that Perth was meant to be cheaper then Sydney with cost of living. I guess with the boom it isn't soon. Should be relatively easy to find a job though?

I am moving over from Queenstown. I just flew back into New Zealand from Vietnam. And was spending 2 years in the UK.. where I learnt to kitesurf. Whereabouts in NZ are you from?

If I don't get into the university I want to this time around I will apply again in 2013.. but would probably move to Aus next year anyway to get settled/do a bit of travelling. When is the best month for wind in different parts of Aus? Plan is a bit all over the place at this stage!


Hey, I was born in Wellington, then moved to Napier, then over to Melbourne.
Yeah, Perth is pretty expensive for the reasons Dusta mentioned - forgot to throw that in. It's also a long way from the rest of the country (Perth - Melb is as long a flight as Melb - Auckland).

The general rule for wind is the southern states get the seabreezes in summer, with Perth/WA getting them consistently from November-March. In places like Geraldton the wind kicks in a little earlier and lasts a bit longer. The seabreeze tends to start like clockwork around 2-3pm and blow to sunset.

Melbourne's seabreeze season is a little shorter and not as reliable and we have our famous cool changes where the temp will drop from 35-40 degrees to 25 degrees in half an hour, accompanied by strong wind.

When the seabreezes are over you head north to Far North Queensland where the trade winds kick in over the "winter".

Where did you ride in UK? I lived there for 4 years and used to ride down at Hayling Island - such a cool spot.

I can't really speak for jobs as I have a steady mining related job - but a friend of mine working in job placement seems to make good coin getting people into work.
SUPSurferQLD
SUPSurferQLD
QLD
336 posts
QLD, 336 posts
25 Oct 2011 12:17pm
Just dont come to Brisbane as we dont have wind
AntoineS
AntoineS
NSW
122 posts
NSW, 122 posts
25 Oct 2011 1:38pm
Hey Danielle,

I've been an international student at Sydney Uni for a year, and my brother did the same at Murdoch Uni in Perth. I'd say from our experience that Perth is great for kiting and ok for studying, while Sydney is great for studying and ok for kiting. Perth got more wind and more good spots, Sydney got the more prestigious unis (USYD and UNSW) and more intense student life.

Beaches along Botany Bay are the main spots south of the bridge in Sydney and about 20min drive from the main campus of Sydney Uni but 3 times as much during peak hour (doable on a bicycle if you're very keen and want a good workout). We have a decent seabreeze during summer months but it gets quite crowded with kiters and beachgoers.

Don't know if you have a special treatment as a Kiwi, but one thing you might want to consider is the tuition fees for international students. My one-year Master at Usyd costed me a whopping AU$30,000 (thanks Daddy!), I believe undergrad years are cheaper and less "prestigious" universities in Perth too.

As for making friends, the Sydney Uni Crazy Kiters crew, also known as SUCKers, will be happy to welcome you. We're always out when it's windy, go on weekend trips to some really cool spots, and throw/crash all the parties we can! Check out www.facebook.com/groups/sydneyunicrazykiters :)

Cheers,
Antoine
Danmurphys
Danmurphys
WA
231 posts
WA, 231 posts
25 Oct 2011 11:09am
Hi Dan,

I'm also at a beginner/intermediate level and can say that Perth is perfect for progressing your kiting. I've been out on average 3 times a week for the last two months and the season hasn't even officially started yet. There are plenty of flat water beaches (i.e.Pinnaroo) and wave beaches (i.e.Floreat) and also many awesome river spots such as Dawesville, Point Walter and Melville.

With uni's ive been to UWA and Murdoch and both are a short drive to kiting spots. They are both very good, with the latter being much smaller, friendlier and close to much cheaper accomodation options. Although eastern state uni's may be more prestigious there are more professional jobs here due to the mining boom which generally leads to much better career options anyway (as i've noticed among my friends around the country).

So.. having said all this i'd strongly recommend either Murdoch or Notre Dame Uni's and living in Fremantle for the most fun times and accessible kiting / study combo.

Good luck!

Dan
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
25 Oct 2011 11:17am
Don't forget to switch the lights off............assuming you are the last one to leave
Daniegirl
Daniegirl
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5 posts
27 Oct 2011 7:49pm
Thanks for all the advice guys, the more I think about it the more I want to move to Perth! I just want beach! Lucky for me being kiwi I do get a bit of the old special treatment and get to pay the same fees as the locals, only without any help. So will be thanks daddy for now!
Thinking I will spend a bit of time in both anyway and can always move, if one does not appeal. I was looking at UWA because being of a 'mature' age, normally I would have to do some sort of a course for 1 year to qualify for uni. But UWA they mentor you.. or something! For part of your first year.

When I was kiting in the Uk it was mostly in Scotland when I did a big tour with a bunch of other kiters all around. Was pretty cool, the wind was great. Just had to have a decent wetsuit ;) Wales was very nice to. Love Rhosneigr.

So are the sharks in Perth/Sydney really as bad as they say?
Daniegirl
Daniegirl
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5 posts
27 Oct 2011 7:52pm
LiveToFly said...

I've been out on average 3 times a week for the last two months and the season hasn't even officially started yet.



So Jealous! My kites are currently in the post from the UK.. will take about three months :(
tatkins
tatkins
QLD
344 posts
QLD, 344 posts
28 Oct 2011 8:43am
breakzmaker said...

Just dont come to Brisbane as we dont have wind


The few times wind has occured i have been at work and missed it
Chrisoman
Chrisoman
NSW
11 posts
NSW, 11 posts
18 Dec 2011 12:04pm
Have you considered Newcastle? It's still a city (roughly 550,000 ppl i think)

The cost of living here is significantly lower than Sydney, I work at the University of Newcastle and I can tell you it is on par with any University in Sydney. I basically had the same dilemma when I was choosing where to go to Uni and Newcastle had city life near the beaches at half the rent in Sydney which was pretty attractive to a poor uni student lol.

The Kiting is good here we get basically the same wind as Sydney does and have beautiful, easily accessible beaches. Also has Lake Macquarie a quick drive down the coast for flat water kiting. And Sydney is only 150km down the road (also there's a train to Sydney)

Just some food for thought
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