Do channels in a twin tip do anything?

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Matt@DY
Matt@DY
NSW
51 posts
NSW, 51 posts
16 May 2011 4:48pm
I'm trying to get my head around whether channels make any real difference to a twin tip and if they do then what?

Anyone got a view?

14nce
14nce
QLD
39 posts
QLD, 39 posts
16 May 2011 4:51pm
If your riding with huge mofo fins then it probably wont make a difference. If you ride without or with small (0.7) fins it definitely gives more traction on the water.
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
16 May 2011 5:59pm
Back in 2007 I was riding around on an 2004 underground 132cm which had a completely flat bottom. I used to get really sore ankles til one day whinging to a friend about my sore ankles when he said to try his board. It was a 2005 underground 132 which looked like the same board except with a single concave. Immediately it rode much smoother and my ankles felt better. I swapped back and forth, one run with flat bottom then the concaved board. Each time the concaved board was much smoother and my ankles loved it. I ordered a new 132 and it had a double concave. It rode smooth and my ankles loved it but it wasn't as lively as the old 2004. Landing jumps were better as the board gripped better with out grabbing too hard like big fins would and bucking you off.

Little, or subtle shapes make a difference, proberly not in normal riding, as in, just edging along, but when you do stuff with your board, the water flow is changed and controlled at different points on the hull, gripping and making the board resist sliding, such as landing hot from a big jump or changing from heal to toe in a high speed gybe, grippy but not biting or grabbing and throwing you off!

cheers for now,

Robbie
moons
moons
WA
349 posts
WA, 349 posts
16 May 2011 7:12pm
They make them look cooler
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
16 May 2011 8:05pm
Channels will make a board structurally stronger.
pi22api22a
pi22api22a
WA
150 posts
WA, 150 posts
16 May 2011 8:16pm
They attract jellyfish
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
16 May 2011 8:27pm
They allow the board to edge better with less imput,way better toeside riding with a channeled board and they make the landings way softer ,also helps deflect spray away from the rider,to date the best board i have ever ridden would be the Cardboards FR 131 ,it has a four channel concave,and you can toeside it hard out without it even looking like spinning out.
LostinSpace
LostinSpace
QLD
388 posts
QLD, 388 posts
17 May 2011 10:55am
moons said...

They make them look cooler


I have concaves on my TT and yes I would have to agree, it's a very cool looking board (Underground Crypt)
bjw
bjw
QLD
3691 posts
bjw bjw
QLD, 3691 posts
17 May 2011 11:11am
Channels help you get from the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea.
14nce
14nce
QLD
39 posts
QLD, 39 posts
17 May 2011 11:15am
concaves and channels do very different things. Concaves disperse water making landings and riding through chop more comfortable. Much like the hull of a boat.

Channels will provide more traction on the water for better edge hold.

Pretty much all boards have concaves to the bottom, few kite boards have channels.
Matt@DY
Matt@DY
NSW
51 posts
NSW, 51 posts
17 May 2011 12:33pm
14nce said...

concaves and channels do very different things. Concaves disperse water making landings and riding through chop more comfortable. Much like the hull of a boat.

Channels will provide more traction on the water for better edge hold.

Pretty much all boards have concaves to the bottom, few kite boards have channels.


Do concave and channels get used together? So, are the channels carved onto a concave surface to get both effects or is that overkill?
DANEgerous
DANEgerous
VIC
253 posts
VIC, 253 posts
17 May 2011 1:05pm
14nce said...

concaves and channels do very different things. Concaves disperse water making landings and riding through chop more comfortable. Much like the hull of a boat.

Channels will provide more traction on the water for better edge hold.

Pretty much all boards have concaves to the bottom, few kite boards have channels.


How many concaves do boards tend to use these days? I think my current board is only single concave. Is there an optimum amount?
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
17 May 2011 11:13am
Concaves are built into the board by putting it in a rocker jig at the wood/divinicell stage. Concaves make the board faster and stronger, as having a flat section through the middle of the board reduces drag, but allows the rocker to be constant on the edge to help with edging.
Channels are either epoxy or some are then are carved in. Some boards channels are made in the wood stage eg Noble NHP.
NSW, 4382 posts
17 May 2011 1:37pm
Boards with channels work well, ask anyone that has tried the Cab Custom, especially this years 2011 model.
Boards that have channels that are concaves too like the Undergrounds, and Nobile's as well as several other brands, work extremely well too.
My own choice for comfy ride in chop due to the tapered outline and decent rocker combined with minimal fin height to enable easy switching from heel to toeside is the Cab Custom.
Boards like the Underground Crypt and the Nobile 666 ride exceptionally well in choppy conditions too, and size for size have a bit better upwind than the higher rockered Cab Custom.
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
17 May 2011 12:05pm
Hi Peeps,

The channels help control Yaw movement. They help align the board with the direction of travel when landing jumps/tricks and enable the fins to bite in earlier which gives better control.

DM
COL
COL
NSW
554 posts
COL COL
NSW, 554 posts
17 May 2011 6:35pm
I don't know about this channels thing. I've used flat bottoms & single concaves. Going to double concaves or the newer quad concaves I think the overriding difference is that they carve turns heaps better. They grip loads more & when you push them too far they start sliding with control so you can still hold your line pretty much.
Col
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
17 May 2011 4:37pm
Channels give you grip but also slow you down. If you want to ride a board without fins they are especially good. I also like the feel of channels on a surfboard like on the old shortboards.
Fooosh
Fooosh
WA
563 posts
WA, 563 posts
17 May 2011 6:30pm
AKSonline said...

Hi Peeps,

The channels help control Yaw Ur movement. They help align the board with the direction of travel when landing jumps/tricks and enable the fins to bite in earlier which gives better control.

DM


Spelling DM!





But seriously - Yaw it is the left-right movement of your board on the horizontal plane

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axes_conventions
Matt@DY
Matt@DY
NSW
51 posts
NSW, 51 posts
18 May 2011 11:51pm
Thanks everyone. Much appreciated.
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