Do rails have to be sharp??

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wind dummy
wind dummy
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
5 Mar 2005 8:22pm
Today when I was kiting, I was fully lit when my board spun out, foot slipped from the strap and came into contact hard with the rail of my board resulting in a few stitches in my heel. The rail is concave and very sharp. Would the board go better/worse if I sanded the rails a bit so they wouldn't be so sharp. Going on surfing theory a sharp edge slides and a soft edge grips, so it might make the board not so skaty???? if I sand them a bit smooth??? Can any genius out there enlighten me on this topic??
Thanks
jan
jan
WA
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jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
5 Mar 2005 7:54pm
i know a couple guys that regularly sand rails on new boards...

theres plenty of boards out there with soft(ish) rails that work great
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
5 Mar 2005 8:47pm
hey, Taking the sharp edge of the rail sounds like a good idea to me. The performance will be barely effected. I personally prefer a softer rail, but anything as long as it rides nice.

Good winds,

Alan
Alan
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
7 Mar 2005 4:25pm
Hi WD,
Of the boards I've tried/have the rails that are pretty rounded seem to grip better that sharp rails. The sharp rails seem to hold really huge power up to a point then loose grip big time and bounce out. The rounded rails doesn't seem to do that and "gives" a little and you maintain your stance (not that you'd notice this "giving" that much). One of Last years Gastra's (137 maybe) seems to have a rail radius of say 5mm bottom side but was sharpish on the top the otherway round than you would expect but the guys say it gripped like no other.
wind dummy
wind dummy
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
8 Mar 2005 10:07am
Thanks for the feedback. It seems as I suspected(after the fact)that
any sharp edges are more dangerous than practical. Its like sharp noses on surfboards, they look pointy and dangerous and not practical. I modified my board but will get/make a soft railed board that has no sharp bits on it as I hate hurting myself. A lot of boards I have looked at the last couple days researching are also sharp, why would they make boards that are dangerous and dont go as good, or are they after the release of the sharp edge?
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
8 Mar 2005 8:55am
Most of the boards these days are made in the same manner as snowboards and have the ABS rail system which is usually square edged. The reason for this is simply cost effectiveness.

Airush used to do the fully wrapped rails in a soft rail design on all boards, but have opted for the ABS flat rail on a lot of boards.

They are easy to build, handle more abuse and are cheaper to manufacture. I suspect many shapers/board manufacturers are chosing this option for the same reasons.

Regards and good winds
Ryland
Ryland
WA
1222 posts
WA, 1222 posts
8 Mar 2005 3:00pm
sharper rails tend too track more and go straight 2 where they are pointed. softer rails are looser and tend 2 go from rail to rail better. heaps better for waves. just depends what u ride mostly flat or waves but taking a bit of the rail back wont do any harm. i sanded back some abs rails before going up 2 gnaraloo and it felt like a different board. they where square and after 10 mins of sanding where very similar to theb shaped rails on the flx.
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
9 Mar 2005 12:02am
quote:
Originally posted by Ryland

sharper rails tend too track more and go straight 2 where they are pointed. softer rails are looser and tend 2 go from rail to rail better. heaps better for waves. just depends what u ride mostly flat or waves but taking a bit of the rail back wont do any harm. i sanded back some abs rails before going up 2 gnaraloo and it felt like a different board. they where square and after 10 mins of sanding where very similar to theb shaped rails on the flx.



I will second this; of the boards I own the sharper rail is best for flat water, the rounder rail is better for surf/chop.

Wipika's new SS 125's have ABS rails and are sandable/shapeable. As it comes it's is a really light, smooth ride until the chop gets bigger... Having tried one I want one! A softer edge on the rail might just tame it a bit in the bigger chop; the extra slip would cause less loss of speed while holding an agressive edge. (that's the way i see it, but i could just be spouting sh1t)
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
9 Mar 2005 7:18pm
hey wind dummy,
go and sand back those rails, use some sandpaper on a block and sand in one direction only.
get a nice 45 degree bevell on the rails and try it.

if it works let us know.

if it's crap then also let us know, so we won't wreck our boards for no reason.

best winds
tony
niall barrett
niall barrett
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
9 Mar 2005 9:05pm
Soft rails work on the spoon in the flow from the tap theory.

That is if you hold the curved side of the spoon in the flow it gets pulled in, hold the sharp side the sharp edge and the spoon keep bouncing out.

Soft rails suck your edge down giving grip in the turn. They also cause drag slowing the and a feeling of weight and being stuck firmly on the water. Given the 'well powered upness' of most kiting this seems to work better especially in chop and waves[which is nearly everywhere].

Progressive rail shaping is the way to go, with sharp release under edges near the tips for good release and less drag, and then really soft rounded rails throught the mid section, where grip is paramount.

Adrian Roper [Underground] tells me his riders universally preferred the feeling when the ABS rails were rounded in the middle sections and they do that on all their boards now. Colin McCulloch at Airush is doing the same thing.
wind dummy
wind dummy
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
10 Mar 2005 10:40am
An egg under the tap is good demo for rail theory.

I have already sanded back the rails, because of the concave there still relatively sharp, but the razer sharp edge is gone, perhaps a ml or so rounded. A couple of spots on the rail were slightly abrazed, and were like a serated knife. Stitches are still a bit sore but the forecast here today is semi promising (10-15kn)so I will test if possible. I dont reckon it will make much difference but its not so lethal.
From the feedback is enough for me and the logic behind it to go for not sharp rails, we ride here in waves and chop, or waves and smooth water, so its appropriate for my application.
How many people have dropped there board or kicked it onto there leg and bled when not even in the water. I have.
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