Does El Nino bring more or less wind?

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Beavey
Beavey
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26 Jul 2009 8:19pm
With the talk about the onset of El Nino I was wondering if this will bring more wind, especially the NEsters this summer. Any thought?
bennie
bennie
ACT
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27 Jul 2009 2:00am
I am no expert on this but I'll have a go. El nino brings big dry spells for australia, especially the east coast. much of our weather is goverened by ocean currents. El nino pushes the warm eastern pacific currents and it's associated precipitation west towards the americas, while cooler ocean currents move east towards australia. Seabreeze(NE winds on the south east coast) happens during high pressure systems, when warm air over land rises compared to the cooler air over the sea, so the cooler sea air rushes in to fill the place of the now higher up over land air. So if El nino brings cooler than normal ocean currents, combinded with large high pressure systems, then you have to sumise that there will be larger than normal ocean to land temp differentials, which would result in lots of stronger than average seabreezes for the southeast coast of australia. Having said that I was of the understanding that el nino was thought to happen about once every 8 or so years, and I think it's only been about 3 years since the last el nino.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
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27 Jul 2009 12:18pm
bennie said...

I am no expert on this but I'll have a go. El nino brings big dry spells for australia, especially the east coast. much of our weather is goverened by ocean currents. El nino pushes the warm eastern pacific currents and it's associated precipitation west towards the americas, while cooler ocean currents move east towards australia. Seabreeze(NE winds on the south east coast) happens during high pressure systems, when warm air over land rises compared to the cooler air over the sea, so the cooler sea air rushes in to fill the place of the now higher up over land air. So if El nino brings cooler than normal ocean currents, combinded with large high pressure systems, then you have to sumise that there will be larger than normal ocean to land temp differentials, which would result in lots of stronger than average seabreezes for the southeast coast of australia. Having said that I was of the understanding that el nino was thought to happen about once every 8 or so years, and I think it's only been about 3 years since the last el nino.


My recollection of the big El Nino event in the early 80s' (when windsurfing really took off) is that the NE'rs on the East Coast were stronger and very consistent-as was the NE/Southerly Buster rotation. So, sounds good for kiters-sucks for farmers (drought).
MagicMike
MagicMike
WA
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27 Jul 2009 10:37am
last el nino we had was 06/07 and it was a very good year for newcastle. lots of NE'ers 25kts and above most afternoons.
bennie has a good point, i heard too that it is around a 8 year cycle between these things but the BOM forecasts say that there is a very good chance of one this year. anyone know anymore?
GreenPat
GreenPat
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27 Jul 2009 1:25pm
Anyone know what effect it has on the West Coast? Summer of 06/07 wasn't all that spectacular, but I'm led to believe (I wasn't here) that 05/06 was worse? 08/09 was the best one I've been in Perth for.
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
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27 Jul 2009 6:50pm
i only caught 07 in january but i dont remember it being crap, was out almost every day until april on my 9 mostly.. if its like that awsome i love powered 12 and 10m days
Smedg
Smedg
NSW
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27 Jul 2009 11:11pm
I recall el nino meaning something along the lines of unpredictable, like a child..

To be safe I recommend we all quit working. That way, we will all be at the beach ready for every breeze.

Its the only way to be safe.
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
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28 Jul 2009 10:35am
mick91 said...

last el nino we had was 06/07 and it was a very good year for newcastle. lots of NE'ers 25kts and above most afternoons.
bennie has a good point, i heard too that it is around a 8 year cycle between these things but the BOM forecasts say that there is a very good chance of one this year. anyone know anymore?


There will be el nino and there will be lots of wind in newcastle ad east coast as a result .the last 2 years of la nina have been aweful and will fade as a distant memory once summer rolls around .
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
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28 Jul 2009 2:18pm
How does El Nino affect us Melburnians? Our regular Seabreeze is a SWer. This summer wasn't too bad (From January on anyway - out 4 times a week). Anyone got any (constructive input)


... Move to Sydney is NOT constructive input
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
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28 Jul 2009 3:17pm
lostinlondon said...

How does El Nino affect us Melburnians? Our regular Seabreeze is a SWer. This summer wasn't too bad (From January on anyway - out 4 times a week). Anyone got any (constructive input)


... Move to Sydney is NOT constructive input


From what I have read the main area that el nino and la nina effect in Australia is the eastern coastal areas of Australia particularly norther NSW and SE QLD (also from what I have read despite popular belief lanina and el nino do not have as great an effect on SE inland Australia, as the coastal area .) There is a great website by a guy called Ian Holton (an Ex BOM guy) who is a forcaster who explains the many things that effect our weather in Australia www.holtonweather.com/ .For example you will find that the Indian Dipole has a greater effect on inland SE Australia than el nino/la nina
bennie
bennie
ACT
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28 Jul 2009 3:55pm
got this from the Bom website http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/ENSO-summary.shtml

Predictions Point To Likely El Ni?o
Summary

As detailed in our ENSO Wrap-up, more evidence of a developing El Ni?o event has emerged in the past month. Sea surface temperatures (SST) over some of the equatorial tropical Pacific Ocean have warmed to above 1?C above normal, Trade Winds have been weaker than normal and the SOI remains negative at around #8722;2.

All international coupled climate models surveyed here are predicting warming of Pacific Ocean SST in the outlook period and for SST to remain above El Ni?o thresholds throughout most of the second half of 2009. Forecasts from one of the models has slower and weaker warming (BCC_CGCM, which may be due to the lower initial SST in these forecasts) than the the other six, but all seven models predict El Ni?o conditions being established by the southern spring at the latest. There is now more agreement between the models than one month ago and predictability of ENSO conditions is high at this time of year. In this light the probability of an El Ni?o event occuring in 2009 is high; a definite increase from one month ago.
Model Outlooks

marty72
marty72
QLD
298 posts
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29 Jul 2009 10:14am
El Niño = drier, warmer and windier on the East coast
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