ELECTRIC SHOCKS WHILE KITING

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bellevue
bellevue
NSW
221 posts
NSW, 221 posts
4 Dec 2006 10:43am
hey all, i was kiting on wallis lake near forster on sunday morning in heavy rain when coming down from a jump i felt what i thought was a pinched nerve in my neck causing my arms tingle & contract..
this happened 4 times about a mtr or so from the water when landing a jump.the last one i felt through my whole body starting at my feet!!! that one made me get off the water... it was heavy rain & big black clouds everywhere.i didnt see any lightning & it felt like it came from the water to me,not from the clouds...
was this heavy static from clouds to water & i made an easy link or what???
has this happened to anyone else???
i know lach at nobys had this happen 12 mths ago just before it rained..
cheers
daz
newcastle.

bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
4 Dec 2006 11:47am
there was some serious lightening at Longy on Saturday.
There was one particularly close strike which made a few of us on the beach jump. no kites where up at the time.
is it safe to kite when there is lightening around?

anyone?

wal269
wal269
WA
718 posts
WA, 718 posts
4 Dec 2006 9:51am
Ask Benjamin Franklin.
Rilay
Rilay
NSW
7 posts
NSW, 7 posts
4 Dec 2006 11:52am
I was kiting at kirra a while ago and my mate had the same thing happen to him. There was a thin storm front that came over but still sunny on either side. My friend did a jump and just as he was coming down he felt a big jult in his body before he hit the water, his fingers went pins and needles, he ended up going straight in and bailing his kite. He thought it might have been a pinched nerve aswell but he went to the doctors and he had nothing wrong with him. So it must have been some sort of weak lightning or static. I havent been out in stormy conditions since that happened. I guess if you drop your kite and its wet or it raining, its pretty much like holding a 30m metal pole in the air. I never really thought about lightning untill that incident happened.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
4 Dec 2006 10:24am
the Hindenburg* version of seconds from disaster showed that blimps collected static when travelling and when touching the ground the people securing it some times would be delivered huge static shocks.
the idea was that the friction caused the build up on the canvas. i don't see how it would differ from kitting.
*how ever you spell it
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
4 Dec 2006 12:32pm
Kites are perfect lighnting collectors, especially whe wet
Are you willing to get an electric shock(MILLIONS OF VOLTS) trough a set of wet, salty lines, connected closelly to your ...groin
Think about
511kev
511kev
NSW
55 posts
NSW, 55 posts
4 Dec 2006 1:24pm
Death is Mother Nature's way of telling you to get off the water when an electrical storm is pending.
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
4 Dec 2006 2:04pm
Southerlies with low scuddy clouds are notorious for hiding lightening storms at higher levels .there was a line of thunderstorms about 1 hr behind the initial front.Beware of this type of weather system .Don't be fooled into thinking that thunderstorms only occur when you can see the big black anvil type summer storms .

Cheers

Lach
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
4 Dec 2006 2:10pm
I always find it entertaining that kiters feel the need to stay on the water attached to a really large lightening conductor in conditions that would have golfers running for cover, but perhaps these are the genes Darwin was referring to in his theories of evolution.
wal269
wal269
WA
718 posts
WA, 718 posts
4 Dec 2006 2:56pm
The answer is to make sure you are touching a pole boarder when you get zapped and all will be cool.
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
4 Dec 2006 5:41pm
i'd prefer not to get that close to a poleboarder, even if it is to avoid being fried
swiss cheese
swiss cheese
1 posts
1 posts
4 Dec 2006 6:11pm
Getting buzzed, Lach and I should know Dixon Park, southerly buster Black clouds charging up the coast from Dudley Beach me on the water having the pinched nerve feeling, Lach waving me in to the beach. Me thinking F*** its going off what does he want!!!!!! also thinking **** what a strange feeling. I come in and dump my kite.
I see Lach getting lifted on the beach so I go and help, what do I see coming out from his feet long white bolts going into the ground. Lach lets go of his kite PeterLynn Proto Arc.The bar goes the kite as well and for a split second more white light between hands and bar.
Now that we are older would we do it again?????? THE WIND HERE HAS MORE HOLES IN IT THAN SWISS CHEESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
4 Dec 2006 10:50pm
You don't need to be kiting in or directly under a thunderstorm to be hit by lightening, it can often spurt out the sides. But sounds like your building up static electricity. Two things to remember, If your wet ( saturated) electricity will travel throught the water on the outside of your body rather than the inside, hence if you manage to get struch by lightening and your allready wet , you are far better of, and as for the static, if you carrying anything flamible it could catch alight , if the charge build up enough your muscles they can uncontrollable twitch ie you could send your kite looping and cause more damage, and you can get burnt where it leaves your body.

The thing I would be far more concerned with is the wind. You are far more likely to get smashed by a violent gust near low dark clouds or in the vicinity of thunderstorms than actually hit by lightening. these gusts can come in the complete opposite wind direction but what is the absolute worst of all are any gusts that are from up or down drafts as they will loft you vertically and pretty much render any kites depower ineffective as the wind carries the kite straight up or just drop the kite and case irratic/ inversions /bow ties / tangles and all sorts of bad thing in a 30kt gust which in turn can render your depower and some safety systems useless aswell
stnkygoat
stnkygoat
NSW
230 posts
NSW, 230 posts
5 Dec 2006 6:41am
Happened to me twice - once at Mambo actually. Always when landing and reconnecting with the water in the presence of thunder storm... My general thinking is that you should try to land things one handed - both times the shock has gone through one arm to the other, which is the worst way cos it goes past the heart.

Lucky it didn't hurt my brain or else there'd be no more kiting in lightening storms! Phew!
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
5 Dec 2006 8:06am
Yo Luke .Are you back for Summer?Any more kids in tow?

Cheers

Lach
quote:
Originally posted by swiss cheese

Getting buzzed, Lach and I should know Dixon Park, southerly buster Black clouds charging up the coast from Dudley Beach me on the water having the pinched nerve feeling, Lach waving me in to the beach. Me thinking F*** its going off what does he want!!!!!! also thinking **** what a strange feeling. I come in and dump my kite.
I see Lach getting lifted on the beach so I go and help, what do I see coming out from his feet long white bolts going into the ground. Lach lets go of his kite PeterLynn Proto Arc.The bar goes the kite as well and for a split second more white light between hands and bar.
Now that we are older would we do it again?????? THE WIND HERE HAS MORE HOLES IN IT THAN SWISS CHEESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gilbo
gilbo
VIC
26 posts
VIC, 26 posts
6 Dec 2006 10:14am
It could possibly be "St Elmo's Fire" (not the movie) basically you are building up a positive charge in your kite. If connected to water it should discharge but once you jump the connection is broken, charge biulds and sparks across before you land. However that said it would need to be a rather large charge or one hell of a jump! Easy fix just hang a 20m rubber strap out the back of your trousers

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo's_Fire
Macca Wollongong
Macca Wollongong
NSW
295 posts
NSW, 295 posts
6 Dec 2006 2:59pm
its a static charge built up from your lines and kite, just install a few static wicks on your kite and your fine (ROFL), whats what aircraft do to prevent static build up ;)
eightfootplus
eightfootplus
NSW
298 posts
NSW, 298 posts
6 Dec 2006 5:16pm
I got a shocked in the water at Towra, I think it was from an eel
chopper
chopper
QLD
37 posts
QLD, 37 posts
7 Dec 2006 12:36am
I have had shocks through the control bar, a few times when a high is approaching on the sunshine coast QLD from the NW only. Not directly from lighting but static. Static through moving helecopter blades can reach 50,000 V, so just the constant friction of kites in the right atmospheric conditions can create low votage levels enough to give the kiter a static shock. Well I'm not sure and well I, er just made that up, but I think It sounds reasonable and could be true or false.
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