Finding a bladder whole in a one pump?????

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hd1p
hd1p
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13 Dec 2007 12:27am
I pumped my 10m Raven up tonight, only to find when i was about to hook the lines it got caught by wind and nearly took off! Lucky i was right beside it and noticed it lifting. I then realised that the thing had gone down! I know last time i used it it was fine, but today, its different. I pumped it up again and down it went reasonable slowly. So being a one pump, how do i find out where the bloody hole is????? Im sure there is some simple way, but its got this mind stuffed if i can think how to???? Please help?
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
12 Dec 2007 11:32pm
Well on the Fuel it's pretty easy, you isolate each strut. I don't know how the Raven setup is, but if there's hoses between the LE and the struts it should be pretty easy to clamp them off, even if they don't come with their own clamps like the Fuel.

Failing that, you could just find a friend with a swimming pool and dunk the whole thing in it...
hd1p
hd1p
VIC
50 posts
VIC, 50 posts
13 Dec 2007 12:41am
thanks for the advice, but it does not have the hoses, apparently it has one way valves!!!!! But sometimes they do go down. I need it fixed asap, tomorrow is looking good in Melbourne to!
AdrenalinKid
AdrenalinKid
VIC
31 posts
VIC, 31 posts
13 Dec 2007 12:45am
Im 15 and im used to punctures on my bike
My solution is if it is big and is hard to fit in a pool then just rub soapy water over ur kite (i hope it wont damage it) and if bubbles appear them Boom you found ur hole. Hope i could be of help

keep it real and kte your brains out

----> Scotty
hd1p
hd1p
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13 Dec 2007 12:51am
thats fine to do this but if the kite is in good nick, it should be water tight, therefore where ever the firsy little bit of gap is, well then that is where the air will escape. There has to be a sure way of working this out without having to take all the bladders out, surely Nasih are not this stupid!!!!!?????
t o b y
t o b y
WA
530 posts
WA, 530 posts
13 Dec 2007 12:49am
sorry buddy but its octopus. Your pretty much ****ed.

does one strut go flat but not the others? if so then its prolly that strut.

if none go flat its the leading edge.

if all of them or atleast 2 go flat your one way valves are buggered (the one way valves are useless, they work 20% of the time). In which case its really hard finding where the leak is.

finding the leak is the easy bit of the exercise, getting the leading edge back in is not to hard. Connecting the struts back to the leading edge is rediculously hard. Connecting the struts and having no leaks where they connect is a miracle.

Best bet is to just put the sucker in the bin, its seriously not worth the effort (comming from someone who has done 2 leading edge bladder repairs on naish octopus kites, to then have the kites working sweet only for the valves to peel off!)

Wouldnt touch naish again. Both my kites (06 torch 2's) had construction failure at the zipper (happened on heaps of 06 and even some 07 naish's) which basically meant they were a write off. Unfortunatly i bought over seas on a kiting holiday, neither the local distributor, the distributor in the country i got them from or naish international would help out. I was left with two useless bags of ****.

I recommend everyone to avoid naish now. Hope it costs naish more then it ended up costing me. They deserve it.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
13 Dec 2007 9:57am
t o b y said...

sorry buddy but its octopus. Your pretty much ****ed.

does one strut go flat but not the others? if so then its prolly that strut.

if none go flat its the leading edge.

if all of them or atleast 2 go flat your one way valves are buggered (the one way valves are useless, they work 20% of the time). In which case its really hard finding where the leak is.

finding the leak is the easy bit of the exercise, getting the leading edge back in is not to hard. Connecting the struts back to the leading edge is rediculously hard. Connecting the struts and having no leaks where they connect is a miracle.

Best bet is to just put the sucker in the bin, its seriously not worth the effort (comming from someone who has done 2 leading edge bladder repairs on naish octopus kites, to then have the kites working sweet only for the valves to peel off!)

Wouldnt touch naish again. Both my kites (06 torch 2's) had construction failure at the zipper (happened on heaps of 06 and even some 07 naish's) which basically meant they were a write off. Unfortunatly i bought over seas on a kiting holiday, neither the local distributor, the distributor in the country i got them from or naish international would help out. I was left with two useless bags of ****.

I recommend everyone to avoid naish now. Hope it costs naish more then it ended up costing me. They deserve it.


Toby's advice is that of an angry man-disregard it.

I tore holes in my strut bladders recently and repaired my self (poorly) and as a result had to repeatedly take the struts on and off-easy!

Naish has a guide on their site to repairing the Octopus system-it is more difficult than a non-one pump system-but it's not rocket science. There's heaps of info out there on how to do it-just do a net search on naish octopus repair.

t o b y
t o b y
WA
530 posts
WA, 530 posts
13 Dec 2007 10:34am
btw raven struts are a alot smaller then the torch and the zipper runs the other way then in the video on 06 kites.

dude taking one strut out isnt that hard but when u have to take 5 (or 7 if raven) struts out and the leading edge out to fix a whole in the leading edge its a bit more challenging. Then getting them back in again through a hole designed by 3 ft chinese ompa lompas good luck.

best bet is to see if you can con a shop into doing it for u.
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