i flew some 08 fuels in holland earlier this year and still think they are a great free style kite will do everything they always have but i'm going to disagree with they looping comment my thirteen rev loops so much better then any kite around that size when you start looping bigger kites you tend to need more height as to complete to loop b4 you land and i find the rev 13 is the only kite that i can loop and get higher than while looping without being stupidly over powered but it is really each to there own i love my rev but fuels will always be in my heart..... i think deep down we all have a little fuel in our blood.