Goldy kiter injured

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elizabethb
elizabethb
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8 Jan 2008 8:14pm
Hey fellas. Heard a 45yo goldy kiter on the broadwater was injured. So far so good but looking for spinal injuries now.

In a Brissy hospital.
Landed on a sand bar *edited*.

Thank gosh he is ok whoever he is. Best of luck mate.

Liz
Jaimie Lee
Jaimie Lee
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8 Jan 2008 8:45pm
just saw it on the news..any word of who it was???

hope he's ok!

get well soon buddy!
mytchook
mytchook
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8 Jan 2008 8:50pm
bugger!! and ouch!!

Hope he is okay!!
Joe Lyon
Joe Lyon
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8 Jan 2008 8:58pm
Hear from a matie down there he was havin a lesson and got smashed,poor bugger hope all is well
Haircut
Haircut
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8 Jan 2008 9:05pm
it was a student. he was using a very small kite, 5m -ish or less? he just got yanked and dragged forward quickly across the sandbar and landed on his bonce, then yanked onto his back doing a kind of summersault. it wasn't a result of getting lofted into the air as the kite was down low. still would have felt quite nasty for him from the way it looked at my end he tried to get up when i gave his partner the kite so it looked like he might have been ok, but he soon lied back down again and didn't get back up till the chopper came nearly an hour later, so he must have been worse than he initially appeared
elizabethb
elizabethb
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8 Jan 2008 9:27pm
Cheers 4 that Haircut.

Was it an actual lesson or one of those 'i'll buy a kite and try it out myself alone without a lesson'....

Had WAY too many of the later one happening!

People just don't understand that soon kiting will be banned!

Haircut
Haircut
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8 Jan 2008 9:31pm
i believe he was part of the group lessons


People just don't understand that soon kiting will be banned!


if you get yourself a windsurfer now Liz, you'll beat the mad rush and price rise when all the other kiters need to buy them
elizabethb
elizabethb
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8 Jan 2008 9:35pm
Haircut said...


if you get yourself a windsurfer now Liz, you'll beat the mad rush and price rise when all the other kiters need to buy them


aahhhh well see that is pretty tempting *not*

But then you'd HAVE to sail at Wello... geeeee.... I don't know... If you were a wello guy I might actually consider it!



waveslave
waveslave
WA
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8 Jan 2008 8:51pm
Haircut said...

it was a student. he was using a very small kite, 5m -ish or less?


A 5m seems like a very small kite for the Goldy.
Is it hell windy ?
And if so....why the instruction in high wind ?

Haircut
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8 Jan 2008 10:05pm
i don't know wavey, i'm not up on how kite lessons work as i basically just taught myself
elizabethb
elizabethb
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8 Jan 2008 10:12pm

Yeah wave, the thing is, if its a 5m kite (windy terms say a 4.5m sail if I understand the comparisons) and a lesson, imho I would NOT be conducting a kite lesson in those winds! If you need anything smaller than a 8m or 9m bow kite for a lesson, it should not be conducted. Purely for safety purposes.

Not being there, but looking at the graphs for the goldy it was 18-25 knots gusting 20-28 knots. Unless an experienced kiter and on an 8m bow kite, this is pretty risky imho.

Joe Lyon
Joe Lyon
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8 Jan 2008 10:49pm
I was riding a 9mt fuel and lit all day
there was a wind warning isued when i checked the bom at 12
Caelah
Caelah
WA
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8 Jan 2008 9:49pm
It was pretty windy up here today, I only stayed on my 10m bow for about half an hour at midday then pumped up my 7m which I was well powered on, ended up giving it to my partner to ride as he was 6 kilos heavier and suited him perfectly. Also pretty gusty today.

Hope the injured person is OK. Lets avoid commenting about it on the forums until we find out exactly what happened...otherwise it ends up like school yard chinese whispers.
Fitzy
Fitzy
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8 Jan 2008 10:59pm
Second that one Caela

I was on an 11 Waroo Pro and noticed the wind pick up around 2.30 ish.

Rode till about 4 and called it a day.

foorked
foorked
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9 Jan 2008 12:12am
i saw this www.leadernews.com.au

AAP

8 January 2008

A KITE surfer has suffered suspected spinal injuries after landing on his head and neck in a three-metre plunge onto an exposed Gold Coast sandbank.

Doctor Renee Beer and a RACQ Careflight paramedic Brad Solomon helped secure the 45-year-old man on the sandbank in the Broadwater before he was airlifted by helicopter to Princess Alexandra Hospital in Brisbane today.

Dr Beer said the man would undergo CT scans to gauge whether he had suffered a major spinal injury but the initial signs were positive.

"I actually think he's a lucky guy,'' Dr Beer said.

"The hospital hasn't found any significant injuries at this point, but we're still waiting for further investigations so he's not clear yet.

"He is very lucky, but we won't know the full story until the scans are done.''

The man remained conscious throughout the ordeal and was complaining of pain in his back, neck and stomach.

The helicopter pilot made the decision to winch the man aboard, despite windy conditions, because it could have been dangerous to land on the sandbank.

The man is in a serious but stable condition.
Haircut
Haircut
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9 Jan 2008 12:22am
btw - i was windsurfing today, not kiting. it was about 20knots by the evening here.
paulio
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9 Jan 2008 12:24am
Yeah definatly find out the story before we jump to any conclusions,Justin was first on the scene and may have it on video.

I will endevour to get some info on the injuries and lets hope he pulls through with no serious problems in the next few days.

So it just pays to always check the conditions and always check your gear before you ride.
paulio
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9 Jan 2008 12:27am
Haircut said...

btw - i was windsurfing today, not kiting. it was about 20knots by the evening here.


Harden up justin,you are now a kiter and MUST kite at every opportunity,it is written in the user guide when you buy a kite........having said that I wish I was you today, when the gusts were hitting 30kts

elizabethb
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9 Jan 2008 12:31am
Haircut said...

btw - i was windsurfing today, not kiting. it was about 20knots by the evening here.


you know haircut.......

I would like you much more if you were a kiter

Haircut
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9 Jan 2008 12:44am
i hope the guy's ok because just getting plonked on your head from standing height would be bad enough. like usual the news overhypes everything and i sure didn't see him fall from 3m. i've seen people giving kiting lessons in stronger winds than we had today
elizabethb
elizabethb
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9 Jan 2008 1:03am
Radio update.

In the PA hospital.
Cleared of Spinal Injuries.

3m fall!? You kidding me!?!!!?

Broken ribs and kept in overnight for observation.

Good outcome for a potentially serious situation.
Good recovery mate.
Haircut
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9 Jan 2008 10:00am
thats good news. must have been windier for you guys further north. i'd ignore the bom observations as on a southerly @ gc seaway it over estimates the wind by about 3 to 5 knots depending on which end of the broadwater you're at. the train end where the lessons were is at the less windy end. it is pretty accurate on a northerly though. the chopper did land on the sandbar, i'm convinced news reporters are silly twatts and make half of it up
James01
James01
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9 Jan 2008 10:31am
where on the broadwater did the incident happen?

Kite island?
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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9 Jan 2008 5:03pm
Hey Haircut, these kiters are some funny guys, eh?

Gee I wish I could've learned to windsurf in half a dozen lessons. I guess nothing really worthwhile is ever easy...
Joe Lyon
Joe Lyon
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9 Jan 2008 7:04pm
Can somone please explain whot went wrong?
Could this be avoided next time?
What precauttions can one take to avoid this?
These are a few questions that owners of all schools may be able to impart to us.
Lets learn from this dreadful incident.
Happy days
Haircut
Haircut
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9 Jan 2008 7:15pm
i don't think anything really went wrong, just maybe lack of concentration or the natural reaction to pull the bar into yourself instead of pushing away and it powered up more. with the windstrength and size of the kite and the size of the guy attached, i don't think much could happen to him except the unfortunate chance of getting pulled over onto his head while getting dragged along
paulio
paulio
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9 Jan 2008 10:06pm
Well I guess the good news is the guy only broke some ribs(bad enough) and I guess he's thanking his lucky stars that it isnt worse.

No it wasn't Kite Island, on a S/E that is very gusty there but on the sandbank south of Wavebreak
NSW, 4382 posts
10 Jan 2008 1:03am
Joe Lyon said...

Can somone please explain whot went wrong?
Could this be avoided next time?
What precauttions can one take to avoid this?
These are a few questions that owners of all schools may be able to impart to us.
Lets learn from this dreadful incident.
Happy days




Some good questions there Joe.
Lots of incidents like this could be avoided if people are told when they first enquire, that there are inherent risks associated with kitesurfing and the sport is not for everyone.
When enquirers ask they should be told that injury and even death can occur because, despite safety systems and increased safety features of kites, kite flyers do not control the wind.
To not tell enquirers is negligent and misleading in my opinion, and it weeds out a lot of people who otherwise get sucked into "taking a lesson" for the "experience" and who have never even flown a power kite before!!!!

The $$$$ hungy school and instructor mentality has to get out of the industry, or like ElizabethB says the sport will get banned.

Schools and instructors need to convert to water based lessons, wherever and whenever it is possible in their area - only then will students get a real lesson and only then will students not get dragged and lofted onto their heads and break bones on the damn sand.

It is NOT possible to learn to kitesurf on sand!!!!! So why are they on the sand??
Its just about $$$ I reckon.

ANY ONE, who has never flown 2 line power kites for a minimum of 15-20 hrs should ever be given a kitesurfing lesson!!!!!!!

Its well past the time when all schools and instructors should put student safety and professional, real value instruction first.
Too many people (instructors/schools) see it as an easy way to make money, instead of being passionate about creating new and well educated kitesurfers!!!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

hardhat
hardhat
QLD
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10 Jan 2008 9:18am
Steve, only takes 10-12 hours to solo in an aircraft when learning to fly. Not sure I'd stick with 15-20 hours of stunt kite flying, sounds dull. I do see your point though, theres got to be a point where someone turns the kite the correct way without thinking about it when they're ready for the next step. Hope the guy is OK and the kite school has all t's crossed and i's dotted if he calls a lawyer.
mikeb
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QLD
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10 Jan 2008 9:59am
as an instructor and school I firmly believe lessons should be one on one, and I agree with steve in the water.
When people are first learning you cant take your eye of them, saying that however they must be allowed to make mistakes and gain respect for the power of a kite(in the water though).
I wouldnt be quick to judge the instructor as an accident is exactly that, an accident, and we dont know the circumstances.

keilani
keilani
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10 Jan 2008 11:19am
Thats what happens when you have 5-6 students to 1 instructor,
it should only be a max of 2 people to 1 instructor,if you are entering a class with more than this no. you should insist to be only given the lesson with max of 1 other student ,IKO insurance is void if the kite school doesnt heed to this recommendation.
Hope you recover fully and quickly
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