Grunt and low bar pressure

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gorgemay
gorgemay
90 posts
90 posts
3 Sep 2018 7:02am
is it possible to have a kite with great low end grunt, great range at top end and have light to medium bar pressure? If so what kite is this?
kkiter
kkiter
NSW
452 posts
NSW, 452 posts
3 Sep 2018 10:10am
Ozone Edge has those qualities
NSW, 884 posts
3 Sep 2018 10:42am
gorgemay said..
is it possible to have a kite with great low end grunt, great range at top end and have light to medium bar pressure? If so what kite is this?


Yes, the Ozone Edge V9, Zephyr V5, Enduro V2, Reo V5, Hyperlink V1 all have those qualities of low to medium bar pressure, so easy one handed power control and turning, even the Zephyr which is a 17M. Foil kites like the Hyperlink V1 and Chrono V3 have the best wind range in my experience. At 75kg the Chrono V3 UL is ging me a better bottom end than the Zephyr but it is a super light weight kite and definitely not suited to rough handling or proper waver riding.
bjw
bjw
QLD
3691 posts
bjw bjw
QLD, 3691 posts
3 Sep 2018 11:08am
... no bias intended
NSW, 884 posts
3 Sep 2018 12:00pm
I thought my bias was blindingly obvious, but just to make it clear - I'm recommending Ozone kites, because I know them well, and I'm the Australian distributor.
Cygnify
Cygnify
QLD
125 posts
QLD, 125 posts
3 Sep 2018 1:37pm
Another option is core xr5
Fly on da wall
Fly on da wall
SA
725 posts
SA, 725 posts
3 Sep 2018 2:45pm
Naish Ar5 Delaminator.. Ticks all your boxes.
Richoa
Richoa
NSW
478 posts
NSW, 478 posts
3 Sep 2018 7:37pm
Ozone Kites Aus said..

gorgemay said..
is it possible to have a kite with great low end grunt, great range at top end and have light to medium bar pressure? If so what kite is this?



Yes, the Ozone Edge V9, Zephyr V5, Enduro V2, Reo V5, Hyperlink V1 all have those qualities of low to medium bar pressure, so easy one handed power control and turning, even the Zephyr which is a 17M. Foil kites like the Hyperlink V1 and Chrono V3 have the best wind range in my experience. At 75kg the Chrono V3 UL is ging me a better bottom end than the Zephyr but it is a super light weight kite and definitely not suited to rough handling or proper waver riding.


Not looking to argue but I have an old zephyr v4 think. But whilst I enjoy flying it and think its a great kite for its catergory. I have never thought it had a light bar pressure, So what do you call heavy bar pressure in post 2013 kites?

Hopefully this compliments ops question
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
3 Sep 2018 7:58pm
The zephyr went increasingly higher aspect and the bar pressure did ease off... but it was never heavy.
BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
QLD, 1293 posts
4 Sep 2018 8:28pm
Are you asking for large kites or any size?
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
4 Sep 2018 11:04pm
Fly on da wall said..
Naish Ar5 Delaminator.. Ticks all your boxes.


hahahaha,,,,, I still have a 5.5m AR5 in my shed,,,, yep, its THE Delaminator of all delaminators and all will bow down to the best delaminator in the business (except the ARX,,,, that was next level).
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
4 Sep 2018 9:41pm
BrisKites said..
Are you asking for large kites or any size?


A kite that has a very similar feel throughout the quiver has always been a must for me, also a good sign that each size has been designed well, I've owned a few brands where the 8/10 has been worlds apart from the 12 almost unrelated in feel,
never loved a light pressure, tbh Carnt beat a kite that has a very direct attached feel , wind strengths can add a bit more pressure especially in their upper ranges, as Mctool mentioned a kite that's effortless to fly one handed is a good sign of decent grunt/ pull and kites like the edge / rebel I found were great with a great mid pressure feel at the bar for getting low on your edge with little or no redirection, certain kites just dump the power when you lock in a solid edge and you have to keep redirecting and get a bit flatter on the board as the Kite lacks that drive, not everyone's requirement but something I look for




SaveTheWhales
SaveTheWhales
WA
1913 posts
WA, 1913 posts
5 Sep 2018 4:45am
Stay away from black kites, they absorb the most Sun rays - being slower on the UP stroke because of resistance...
Richoa
Richoa
NSW
478 posts
NSW, 478 posts
5 Sep 2018 1:47pm
SaveTheWhales said..
Stay away from black kites, they absorb the most Sun rays - being slower on the UP stroke because of resistance...


is that why Cauncy is in all black to create extra edge resistance.

very hitech sport
lucy5
lucy5
QLD
105 posts
QLD, 105 posts
5 Sep 2018 11:22pm
Richoa said..

Ozone Kites Aus said..


gorgemay said..
is it possible to have a kite with great low end grunt, great range at top end and have light to medium bar pressure? If so what kite is this?




Yes, the Ozone Edge V9, Zephyr V5, Enduro V2, Reo V5, Hyperlink V1 all have those qualities of low to medium bar pressure, so easy one handed power control and turning, even the Zephyr which is a 17M. Foil kites like the Hyperlink V1 and Chrono V3 have the best wind range in my experience. At 75kg the Chrono V3 UL is ging me a better bottom end than the Zephyr but it is a super light weight kite and definitely not suited to rough handling or proper waver riding.



Not looking to argue but I have an old zephyr v4 think. But whilst I enjoy flying it and think its a great kite for its catergory. I have never thought it had a light bar pressure, So what do you call heavy bar pressure in post 2013 kites?

Hopefully this compliments ops question


I had the v5 I wouldn't call it light to medium bar pressure with the new bar I'd say more medium and a touch more
Intheozone
Intheozone
WA
247 posts
WA, 247 posts
6 Sep 2018 1:37pm
Its been said a bit higher but the XR5 is very direct, and does not have a ridiculous amount of bar pressure. plus you can adjust the settings to make it lighter
yendor
yendor
NSW
262 posts
NSW, 262 posts
24 Sep 2018 2:28pm
Can anyone compare bar pressure between 2017 naish pivot vs slash 2017.
Thinking of getting a 9 slash.
yendor
yendor
NSW
262 posts
NSW, 262 posts
25 Sep 2018 5:53pm
Anyone ^^^^^
kkiter
kkiter
NSW
452 posts
NSW, 452 posts
25 Sep 2018 9:44pm
Local guys here fly both of those kites. I've only flown the Pivot which has a light bar pressure, but have been told that the Slash bar pressure is heavy similar to the old Parks.
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
25 Sep 2018 8:27pm
Cygnify said..
Another option is core xr5


feel spongy to me compared to ozone, especially in lower to mid range
PusherII
PusherII
56 posts
56 posts
16 Oct 2018 5:27am
cauncy said..

Cygnify said..
Another option is core xr5



feel spongy to me compared to ozone, especially in lower to mid range


Confirm xr5 is a valid option
martinmm5
martinmm5
NSW
44 posts
NSW, 44 posts
17 Oct 2018 8:38pm
It sounds as Ozone Edge V9. Have 10m and waiting for 8m.
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
2360 posts
NSW, 2360 posts
18 Oct 2018 11:02am
SaveTheWhales said..
Stay away from black kites, they absorb the most Sun rays - being slower on the UP stroke because of resistance...



Black material mostly have the best up resistance.
Black is used extensively in boat canopies etc where boats are in the weather 24/7.
White and fluro colours are bad news uv wise.
Fashion diticates what colors are used.
Gazuki
Gazuki
WA
1363 posts
WA, 1363 posts
18 Oct 2018 10:05am
That's interesting? I run black kites and I always thought they would be more prone. Do you know the science behind this, would be interesting?
NorthernKitesAUS
NorthernKitesAUS
QLD
1084 posts
QLD, 1084 posts
18 Oct 2018 1:23pm
Flysurfer Soul - beats any LEI hands down for both low-end and stable and forgiving bar-pressure.
Gateman
Gateman
QLD
409 posts
QLD, 409 posts
18 Oct 2018 4:54pm
Gazuki said..
That's interesting? I run black kites and I always thought they would be more prone. Do you know the science behind this, would be interesting?


One of the best UV stabilises is Carbon (which is black) but doesn't lend itself well to white or coloured products. I always use black zip ties instead of white because they last twice as long if outdoors.
Doesnt mean that your black kite has Carbon in the fabric as a UV stabiliser though ....
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