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conor
conor
VIC
51 posts
VIC, 51 posts
15 Jul 2008 9:38pm
Hi guys,
Im new to kiting basically just starting out im only 15 so lots of fun to be had
have done lessons but now in the stressfull part of buying a kite
hoping to get out on the water heaps this season coming up.
so just wondering, are liquid force spectrums, or cabrinha nitros any good.

Btw i live near altona so hope to meet some of you guys down there next season
junglist
junglist
VIC
701 posts
VIC, 701 posts
15 Jul 2008 9:42pm
Cant help you with either kite dude but welcome to a lifetime of obsession

Cheers

J
kiter zac
kiter zac
QLD
295 posts
QLD, 295 posts
15 Jul 2008 9:44pm
hi dude

im 16 and only just started too. its a fun sport. i have tried a few kites and i like the North and the cabrinha kites so i would reccomend one of them. maybe start of with a cheap 5-line C kite. they are easy for water relaunch.
conor
conor
VIC
51 posts
VIC, 51 posts
15 Jul 2008 9:51pm
yeah i had cabrinha reccomended to me cos supposedly the depower is really good on them, cos im also kinda small
thanks
lex123
lex123
NSW
511 posts
NSW, 511 posts
15 Jul 2008 10:00pm
kiter zac said...

hi dude

im 16 and only just started too. its a fun sport. i have tried a few kites and i like the North and the cabrinha kites so i would reccomend one of them. maybe start of with a cheap 5-line C kite. they are easy for water relaunch.


They are not easy for relaunch... well not as easy as a bow or hybrid kite. I recomend any bow/hybrid kite after 2006. There are alot of Waroos, Turbo diesels and SB's and XB's out there which will suit you perfectly.

Also if you want to get out as much as possible with only one kite, you would be wanting a bow kite due to the larger wind range of thoes kites.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
15 Jul 2008 11:17pm
The nitro is an old model kite.
I know kites are expensive, but paying more for a newer one is much better.
Any 2007 onwards bow/hybrid kite would be good to learn on.
You could probably get a second hand one for less than 800 if you do some searching.
Any older kite won't have the depower of a newer one.
I learnt on a crossbow 2, and it was fantastic for me. There will be a good second hand market for kites like that.
nickloop
nickloop
WA
138 posts
WA, 138 posts
15 Jul 2008 11:49pm
Go for a hybrid/bow, much safer than a c kite, massive depower and when launching/landing kite is totally depowered so no pulling you around. I used to swear by airush lifts, then used a bow for 6 months, went back on lift and after 15 mins in gusty conditions came in and stuck lift on ebay. Try to demo kites if you can or get something that is sold in local shops, easy for spares etc. I bought a EH ripper, only two shops in UK sell them, took 4 weeks to get a bladder. So bear that in mind. I now fly Best waroo's and nemesis, fantastic kites, good price and cheap bladders etc. Easy relaunch, as with most bows/hybrids.

Good luck its a minefield. Look at what most locals are using. Go to beach and talk to them and get their input.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
16 Jul 2008 12:28am
C kites pull you into trees
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
16 Jul 2008 12:30am
c kites make ur appendages bigger in the long run.
michel
michel
NSW
413 posts
NSW, 413 posts
16 Jul 2008 7:47am
i will have a 6m,8m&10m Cab SB3 for sale shortly,6m $900 8m$1000,10m $1050 all in exc cond. def better getting a newer kite if you can the benefits are many, may cost a little extra initially, but will make the learning curve a lot easier and way more enjoyable,having confidence in your gear is really important esp when learning ,if you buy a newer model kite you will have it for a couple more seasons, so will get your moneys worth for sure and still be able to sell for reasonable price.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
16 Jul 2008 9:25am
I started off on a Cabrinha Nitro. Not the best kite to start off on. It was their high Aspect Ratio performance kite in the day. Its a 4 line C kite that flies super fast and has low de-power ability. It doesn't have a 5th line but rather uses a system called recon which kills the kite but is hard to re-launch after deploying the recon system.
Put it this way, it taught me how to edge properly from day 1. I remember being overpowered on my 12m Nitro one day when mates on their new 14m bow kites were cruising around.

My advice would be to not go for the Nitro. If you want a cheap Cabrinha, rather go for a Crossbow 1 or 2 - they are cheap now days and a lot safer than the Nitro.
jev7337
jev7337
QLD
460 posts
QLD, 460 posts
16 Jul 2008 10:22am
The Nitro was a good kite back in its days, but there are much better kites around that are easier to handle with a bigger wind range.
What size are you after, being 15 you would weigh **** all. As mentioned by sunseeker a Crossbow would be good to learn on.

I am selling my mates gear, a Crossbow 2 12m but I guess that would be a bit big for you and a Cardboards board 129cm.

What size do 15 y.o. fly anyway?
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
16 Jul 2008 10:36am
Probably a 9m CB 2.
kiter zac
kiter zac
QLD
295 posts
QLD, 295 posts
16 Jul 2008 4:50pm
Arnt C kites very good?
thats what i learnt on. ive only been kiting 4 times so i guess i dont really know. i thought they were okay. anyway im now moving on to a cabrinha switchblade 3. that should be good right?
KiteAction
KiteAction
QLD
337 posts
QLD, 337 posts
16 Jul 2008 5:04pm
Save up like crazy and get yourself a good 2nd hand bow or hybrid thats the best thing to do.

It is so not worth buying a cheap old "C" kite to learn with.

Yes heaps of us did learn on these and some of them are still great kites for those who know how to use them.But its so much easyer and safer on a bow/Hybrid.

For about 700+ you should be able to pick up a good 8m 2nd hand bow/hybrid.

If you get a cheap c kite like you mentiond You would be just waisting your money and making the whole learning process... harder,longer and more dangerous than it has to be.

Good luck young fella!

Wish I started kiting at 15

regards

Luke


O
O
VIC
118 posts
O O
VIC, 118 posts
16 Jul 2008 6:28pm
The CB2 is a great suggestion for learning the fastest - great relaunch (you're gonna need it), depower and wind range (if you've got only 1 kite, extra important).
conor
conor
VIC
51 posts
VIC, 51 posts
16 Jul 2008 8:05pm
thanks for all the help,
yeah definitely going to get a bow kite now.
now just trying to find the one to buy
so hard lol
probably will get a 9 or 10.5 xbow 2 or 3

thanks
Coose
Coose
VIC
229 posts
VIC, 229 posts
16 Jul 2008 8:22pm
hey i started off at 15 as well using a Switchblade 2 8 meter.

i live in Vic as well, this kite did everything i needed it to do when i started off and was perfect for me.

if your light around 50 kg this kite will get you going in anything from 17 to 30 knots and supply you with endless amounts of joy.

you should be able to pick up a good second hand 8 meter Switchblade 3 for around $750 to $1000 depending how hard you look

this kite will be excellent for you if you want to start getting into the wake style side of things because the Switchblades have the ability to depower heaps even when you have the bar all the way in.
richswing
richswing
WA
724 posts
WA, 724 posts
16 Jul 2008 6:25pm
Hey Connor,

I bought a XBOW 2 last season, just be careful what you buy.

Look at the topside of the canopy for repair work, check the LE out about 1,5 to 2 foot from the centre for seam seperation. Check the trailing edge out for break down of the material (usually looks wrinckled and weak compared to the rest of the canopy).

I used my kite for the whole of last season and it served me well, it's a very forgiving kite to learn on.Bar pressure is a bit excessive, would be worthwhile to check out the SB for bar pressure if it is not your thing but they don't have the range and gust busting ability as the XBOW does.

Never flown the BEST kites but they do look a bit tougher than the same age group as the CABS.

Happy kiting, welcome to KA (Kiting Anonymous - your school work will go to the dogs).

Cheers
Rich
michel
michel
NSW
413 posts
NSW, 413 posts
16 Jul 2008 8:48pm
conor said...

thanks for all the help,
yeah definitely going to get a bow kite now.
now just trying to find the one to buy
so hard lol
probably will get a 9 or 10.5 xbow 2 or 3

thanks


just a note ,the CB are way heavier on the bar than the SB (if you have a small arms length the CB is way uncomfortable once you get a little over-powered not good on the wrists or forearms when learning, the SB is ligther so more forgiving)
conor
conor
VIC
51 posts
VIC, 51 posts
16 Jul 2008 8:58pm
richswing said...

Hey Connor,

I bought a XBOW 2 last season, just be careful what you buy.

Look at the topside of the canopy for repair work,


So, do you mean dont buy a repaired kite at all or make sure the repair is good?
richswing
richswing
WA
724 posts
WA, 724 posts
16 Jul 2008 7:16pm
Hi Conor,

I think if it has been repaired on one of its strutts, it is past its sell by date, if the trailing edge has patches running longer than a foot or so - its past its sell by date.

If the LE been patched around the circumference, its tired.

The XBOW 2's are not known for the robustness.

These are my opinions and may not be true for all XBOW's but what I have experienced myself and what I have seen on other kites. But like I said they are an easy kite to learn on and very forgiving but they have been known to invert and that is why some shops will not sell them to newbies but I never really had any issues with it inverting.

If you get any kite that uses pulleys, check them out for wear and replace them if slightly worn. The most 2006/7 kites which had pulleys on the bridle had them on the front lines, so all the load is on the pulleys and sometimes the bridle can get caught between the body of the pulley and the pulley itself ripping the pulley apart causing the kite to go into a death spin. Excuse the grammar, in a rush!

Just some issues I had.

Cheers
Rich

poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
16 Jul 2008 7:26pm
Go for the latest Xbow/Switchblade ie 3's
2's were not known for their "well madeness"

8m Switchie 3 would be an ideal kite for you.
Such fast responsive grunty all rounders.
Have a word to Kitepower i am sure he would do a great deal.

conor
conor
VIC
51 posts
VIC, 51 posts
16 Jul 2008 9:30pm
yeah i have been down to kitepower geelong before
because last year i bought a land foill
but it bored me and i just wanted to get on the water
i just dont know if i can save enough to buy everything new
but they do have SBs and CBs on special
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
16 Jul 2008 10:40pm
conor said...

thanks for all the help,
yeah definitely going to get a bow kite now.
now just trying to find the one to buy
so hard lol
probably will get a 9 or 10.5 xbow 2 or 3

thanks


Well it depends on how much you weigh, and where you are kiting. But you said you are light the 9m would be good.
I agree to cb2 has large bar pressure, but you get used to it. I'm short and it wasn't a pain. People say those model kites fell apart. Mine lasted 2 seasons of being smashed on the beach, drowned by waves, and scrapped over sticks/shells. If you get a well looked after one, it is likely to be fine, and kite repairs are cheap also.
But, depending on how much you want to spend, you could get a never used kite, from last year for around $1000.
I got my switchblades 3's for around that new.
nickloop
nickloop
WA
138 posts
WA, 138 posts
17 Jul 2008 12:29am
Can you guys get best kites over there? seems nobody ever suggests them. Where I kite in UK 60% of kites are Best, either waroo or nemesis, I fly 7m & 13m waroo and 10 nemesis and they are bloody great, masive wind range and blooming cheap, bought 07 13m waroo in dec brand new complete for $850, 7m kite in Oct, 07 model kite only $500 brand new. Happy days, and spares are cheap, leading edge bladder for 7m $60 inc postage.
pfr
pfr
NSW
156 posts
pfr pfr
NSW, 156 posts
17 Jul 2008 8:34am
so far my sb2 has lasted 2 seasons. good depower/relaunch easy to use. i've had many other kites that only lasted a season mainly due to deflating the whole kite when packing up. i've found that by only deflating the leading edge bladder my kite has stayed in new condition. shoving a fully deflated kite into a bag after every session will eventually wreck your kites trailing edge.it will go weak and then one day you will accidently put your fist through it while putting it into the kitebag. I'll probably get another 2 seasons out of this kite. whatever kite you get do this and it'll last ages.
NSW, 4382 posts
17 Jul 2008 9:46am
conor said...

yeah i have been down to kitepower geelong before
because last year i bought a land foill
but it bored me and i just wanted to get on the water
i just dont know if i can save enough to buy everything new
but they do have SBs and CBs on special



Hi Conor

Sent you a PM, drop down and see Goshen or Johhny at the Geelong store. They can get any of the stuff on the Sydney clearance list sent down too.
https://www.kitepower.com.au/catalog/product_17178_Kites_Reduced_to_Clear__Sydney_cat_345.html

If you are on a budget, avoid anything that has been repaired, unless Goshen or Johhny recommend it.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
richswing
richswing
WA
724 posts
WA, 724 posts
17 Jul 2008 8:11am
HI PFR,

I am always keen to learn new ways to packup and to extend the life span of my kite.

I've always wondered if packing a kite too tight would reduce the lifespan but figured that it is rolled up nice and tight and therefore the material would not break down due to movement. By not folding the kite up tightly reduced the creasing of the material which in return does not deterioate the waterproof coating - is this the concept you are baseing your method on?

In regards to the TE I thought the main cause of deteroration was the flapping in the wind and having it sit on the beach in the sun.

And to add to your reasoning further, the XBOW 2 came in the smallest bag I have ever seen a kite in, which I do like but you really have to pack it down well to get it in.

From now on my kite a going to be loosely packed.

Cheers
Rich
O
O
VIC
118 posts
O O
VIC, 118 posts
17 Jul 2008 10:30am
The comments about durability on the CB2 are right - check the seams and existing wear and tear. I was recommending given your budget but the other comments are right if you can go the CB3 or SB3 the build quality is supposed to have improved. I just bought an SB3 8m for $1280 from Kitepower. Very happy with that deal for such a good kite. Reckon if you could scrape the extra few hundred bucks over the 2s that would be worth it. Bar pressure comments are right but surely that should not be a deciding factor - its not a big deal.
michel
michel
NSW
413 posts
NSW, 413 posts
17 Jul 2008 10:43am
my 8m SB3 is in A1 cond. bar used once as i use my smaller bar from my 6m $1000
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