How much pressure can you loose?

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sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
2 Dec 2009 11:00am
Lost control on a downloop at Brighton and the last thing I saw on my way down was the kite hitting the water hard with the leading edge.

The kite twisted itself and relaunched into a serie of very fast loops without any major boost as it was twisted.

I flagged it to a single line (yes waveslave,I actually connect myself to the flagging line for innocent bystander's safety), winded my lines and self rescued to the beach in a 30 mn swim (Thanks to whoever carried and planted my board on the beach).

Kite's leading edge did not appear busted to my surprise but was obviously majorly defleted. I attempted to relaunch as I didn't want to do the walk of shame back to my bag but the kite folded and I had to abort.

After a long walk, I reinflated the kite with a solid 15 pumps and everything was fine for another hour session.

Since there doesn't appear to be any leak, I am a bit confused as to where did the pressure go? I have noticed before that the kite loose pressure after getting soaked (air density?) but this was a massive difference and should I underinflate the kite in this situation to allow for the pressure building back up when the kite dries up?

Would be interested to know if someone can explain this one.
Nickoff
Nickoff
NSW
106 posts
NSW, 106 posts
2 Dec 2009 2:25pm
mabey the impact pushed the deflate or inflate valve out slightly and allowed some air to escape, ive had this happen to an older kite where if the valves wearnt pushed in and straped propley they pop out a fraction and allow a leak.
loverboy
loverboy
WA
614 posts
WA, 614 posts
2 Dec 2009 12:31pm
What kind of kite ? The Cabrinhas have a rubber seal in the valve that if sand gets in there will cause a slow leak.....just pull it out and clean the sand off if this is the case.

peanuticus
peanuticus
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
2 Dec 2009 5:02pm
crashing a hard kite in 40c into water of ~20c will drop the pressure in the kite by like a million PSI. it will make it go floppy and do exactly what happened without popping valves.

either that or its sprung a small leak
rloemker
rloemker
NSW
149 posts
NSW, 149 posts
2 Dec 2009 7:39pm
peanuticus said...

crashing a hard kite in 40c into water of ~20c will drop the pressure in the kite by like a million PSI. it will make it go floppy and do exactly what happened without popping valves.

either that or its sprung a small leak


Is that proven or are you just making this up?
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
2 Dec 2009 8:01pm
peanuticus said...

crashing a hard kite in 40c into water of ~20c will drop the pressure in the kite by like a million PSI. it will make it go floppy and do exactly what happened without popping valves.

either that or its sprung a small leak


no, a drop from 313 kelvin (40 centigrade) to 293 kelvin (20 centigrade) will involve a pressure drop of about seven percent. not enough to notice methinks.

pressure is proportional to temperature divided by volume (and temperature measured above absolute zero, not zero centigrade)

so, where did the air go? still a mystery according to the original data.
morph89
morph89
SA
54 posts
SA, 54 posts
2 Dec 2009 10:22pm
na the temp difference could cause a noticable drop in pressure. wiv white water rafts we have to be careful we dont pump em up to hard and leave them in the sun because they explode or when we chuck rafts that have been in the sun in the river they suddenly go flat. I dont c why it d b different for a kite.
sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
2 Dec 2009 8:59pm
Well, Thanks for the ideas, I guess this one will stay in my book of mysteries as it was my cab switchblade that doesn't have a plug but a screw cap and I found it to be nice and tight.

I actually inspected it carefully as I was wondering if Cabrinah had installed a secret release valve that I would have never noticed but it was just wishful thinking.

Anyway stoked that it wasn't busted and I will attempt not to slap it hard on the water anymore.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
3 Dec 2009 4:15pm
Yeah, I also get about 7%. So if I pump my kite to 9psi to start at 35 degC and if the water temp is 15 degC then if all the air got down to that temp then the kite would go down to 8.4 psi which is still good. If you start at 8 though, your kite may go down to 7.5 psi. I can only see it being an issue if you were on the border of the kite being hard enough.

I think the most likely outcome was that some pressure escaped from one of the valves during impact - like a pressure relief valve.
koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
VIC, 760 posts
3 Dec 2009 7:18pm
- drop in pressure due to temperature as has been mentioned
- single point inflation system without clips results in the struts being pressurised as a result of the leading edge copping a solid hit. Some people criticise a few companies for doing this but personally i'd rather a strut blow out than a leading edge.

Does your Switchy have a 'one way' single point inflation system?
sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
3 Dec 2009 9:28pm
Yes it does and I had another kite with it today and it definitely deflated so I have obviously damaged something.
Might have to dip it in the bath and see if I can find where the air is leaking.
It could also be a good reason to tell the misses I need a new 6 meter!!!
Jimmy Blunt
Jimmy Blunt
NSW
39 posts
NSW, 39 posts
4 Dec 2009 9:20am
I had a similar case twice by dropping the switchy in the waves.
It was struggling and completed twisted when it came out of the surf.

A lot of air was missing and I had to pump it up again. But no more issues after this with loosing air - all fine.

So i thought cabrinha put some over pressure valve in.
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