Incident by North lines overstitching problem

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dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
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22 Jan 2013 4:52pm
Hi there

A few days ago, on my local, there was an incident as a result of a brand new North kite lines breakage.

The incident happened when launching the kite. The line snapped at mid air, the kite looped and fortunately didn't go far.

No injuries.

Post Mortem:

After the line inspection we've found a quite big overstitching knot exactly after the protective plastic sleave at the line end. It is in our opinion that the line snapped as a result of poor workmanship.

This reminded me to inspect all my lines, particularly where they are stitched. My older kite suffered of this as well:




Be safe.
Jared888
Jared888
WA
389 posts
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22 Jan 2013 5:32pm
Damn!

I purchased a couple of new north EVO's 2010 in 2011 got ripped off I beleive had a rush of blood and just needed them. green and brown

One of the centerlines snapped on the second use in the same spot as you mentioned whilst just edging upwind, kite spiralled down and had to buy new lines.
I took a picture if post is still going next week I will post, at work now

they are still my stapple kites but have had no problems with my cabrinahs and there all secondhandies from 2008, think I will buy a cab or ozone for next kite might leave the norths alone
suniboy21
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22 Jan 2013 9:23pm
When ever i hear of lines breaking i also hear the word "north" associated with it.
Im not having a dig at North, but fark make your lines stronger!
Lambie
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22 Jan 2013 10:50pm
Oh was that north you heard or chinese - and not aiming to bag a manufacturer but it always seems that there are Monday mornings and Friday arvos - maybe country of origin.............. ??

Funny how years ago Made in Japan was a item to avoid - now for the time being it seems that chinese is the new crap mantra - sorry to hear of the gear failures.

Nice one North - great image for the sport ( ok flame me but it just isnt sport??)
Puetz
Puetz
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22 Jan 2013 10:54pm
... hey Dean,

Just curious, not sure if I get it, the pic you show doesn't show the line but something else, can you show us the line in question?

cheers,

Robbie

ps I buy and pay for all my gear, sponsored by the missus so stfurpmyd, its just a general question!

pps you coming to Bali this year?
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
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22 Jan 2013 10:46pm
Hi Robbie,

Correct, the photo is an example of overstitched kite "reinforcement" which broke (other brand tho).

Will try to get a photo if I see this guy again.

Not sure about Bali, finally started working:)
Puetz
Puetz
NT
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23 Jan 2013 9:15am
dbabicwa said...
Hi Robbie,

Correct, the photo is an example of overstitched kite "reinforcement" which broke (other brand tho).

Will try to get a photo if I see this guy again.

Not sure about Bali, finally started working:)


... no Bali, oh well, maybe next time! Full time work, oh no, does that mean less time for board building???

Now I under stand what your showing in the pic. I've snapped a line right on that point right where your describing years ago and was a brand new line on maden voyage too but never really thought of over stitching, interesting theory indeed!

cheers,

Robbie

JBFletch
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23 Jan 2013 10:38am
Puetz said...
... hey Dean,

Just curious, not sure if I get it, the pic you show doesn't show the line but something else, can you show us the line in question?



I'm in the same boat.
Picture doesn't really show much at all.

Ive had north kites for the past 10years and have never broke a line.
or had any major workmanship problems.

How was the bar/lines stored?? did they rub on fins, or the beach when landing or launching??

theres alot of variables that affect product problems.

Has naming and shaming on the forum helped resolve your issue????
Paul1
Paul1
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23 Jan 2013 12:03pm
Same thing happened here a week ago, to a guy with a brand new Rebel...
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
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23 Jan 2013 10:54am
JBFletch said...

I'm in the same boat.
Picture doesn't really show much at all.

Ive had north kites for the past 10years and have never broke a line.
or had any major workmanship problems.

How was the bar/lines stored?? did they rub on fins, or the beach when landing or launching??

theres alot of variables that affect product problems.

Has naming and shaming on the forum helped resolve your issue????



It's not my problem, I was just helping.

Naming and shaming has nothing to do with this. I can demonstrate to you the other brand line issue shortly on a brand new bar which I've got yesterday.

We should learn from experience. If this didn't prompt you to check your lines, someone else might be injured or worse.

The photo clearly indicates how something is broken with over stitching (how funny - it's “reinforcement”).

No, there are no other variables. It was so ever stitched that can be seen from adistance.


Puetz said...
... hey Dean,

Full time work, oh no, does that mean less time for board building???



Quite a bit But, finishing one as we type this:) Scratches resistant one!
zarb
zarb
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23 Jan 2013 7:38pm
I can tell you this is not a nice thread to read. I am a day or two away from ordering new 7m and 10m 2012 North Fuses.

Were there any North recalls in the past related to this issue? If there wasn't, you would think that these line issues would be either isolated issues, or user error from wear and tear? Surely such a large company would not let these things go on without a recall (hopefully).
INTHELOOP
INTHELOOP
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23 Jan 2013 6:46pm
lines break- it happens with pretty much all brands. We had only a few North lines break over many years. The reason for lines breaking will differ from case to case.
Generally NKB's quality and quality control is really good and their support and warranty dealings outstanding!


zarb
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23 Jan 2013 8:07pm
Good to hear, thanks!
JBFletch
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23 Jan 2013 10:35pm
And still no photo of a broken line....
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
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23 Jan 2013 11:35pm
^^^

dbabicwa said...

Will try to get a photo if I see this guy again.



What I've said above? :)


I've also said this: a brand new Airush 4th gen. Smart bar, unpacked yesterday with tags:




Not an issue... Easily fixed. Completely unknown to me how this happened. Is it a manufacturing issue? Who knows.

The problem with over stitching is that you can't see it. This, at least you can.


Put it this way mate, I'm a paraglider pilot and when I started 25 years ago my life depended on a good lines...Still does.
Rob S
Rob S
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391 posts
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24 Jan 2013 10:00am
Overstitching on the lines with an old or damaged machine needle will certainly weaken the line
Puetz
Puetz
NT
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24 Jan 2013 10:10am
... my thoughts are that a line break is usually extenuating circumstances such as impact damage, rubbing against something, or IMO majority of the time overstress from higher than normal loads.

Interestingly, all the line breaks that I've had are all in the same place, right before the sheath. My lines were usually a year old and I've overloaded them, snap and swim. Brand new they may have had a breaking strain of 400kg but over time, maybe its only 200kg???? Pure guess here.

I had all 3 front line snap in mid kiteloop while I had my back to the kite and kite was on its way up, then bang and splash, swim again. Its almost as if the 5%(guess) stretch or spring if you will, can handle it over the entire length but at the points where it can't (the stitched sheath end) stretch its alotted 5% is beyond what it can handle.

I reckon when you run your lines out and its windy, the ends seem to knot up and with kite fever, you pull and yank the ends abit, putting stress on it and with no re-enforcing, it wears the line out just that little bit more each time and right at point it can snap due to its lower ability to stretch, maybe on a micro level you are cutting tiny fibers each time weakening it.

Anyway, what ever, just a few thoughts.

cheers,

Robbie
JBFletch
JBFletch
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25 Jan 2013 12:03pm
dbabicwa said...
^^^

dbabicwa said...

Will try to get a photo if I see this guy again.



What I've said above? :)


I've also said this: a brand new Airush 4th gen. Smart bar, unpacked yesterday with tags:




Not an issue... Easily fixed. Completely unknown to me how this happened. Is it a manufacturing issue? Who knows.

The problem with over stitching is that you can't see it. This, at least you can.


Put it this way mate, I'm a paraglider pilot and when I started 25 years ago my life depended on a good lines...Still does.


still no evidence of a NORTH line problem??
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