Is Leightons C Hell and Bow Paradise??

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Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
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17 Mar 2006 10:59am
Had a kite at leightons last night after work.

Have only kited there a few times before, and it has always been a bit gusty. Last night it was crazy gusty, not enjoyable at all, and that was before I ditched my kite and then having relaunched had to rescue a chick's board as she was trying to reach it by swimming upwind with her kite at 12!!!!

I'm wondering if it's always gusty like this, and if this is the reason it's always heavily populated by Gust Busting Bow Kites.



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pedro
pedro
WA
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17 Mar 2006 11:20am
Yup, that sounds like Leighton - particularly in the evenings after work when the wind seems to have even more South in it and comes straight off Freo Port. It's totally overrated I reckon - plenty of beach for beginners but that's about it.
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
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17 Mar 2006 1:05pm
It's a joke, but at least it explains the number of Bows out there. At least they have a beach to ride at that makes them feel like it's money well spent I guess.


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getfunky
getfunky
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17 Mar 2006 2:00pm
It is gusty all round but there seems to be a point halfway down the "bay" at Leighton (about 1/3 between the club and the footbridge north) where the gusts become full-on.
When doing the walk of shame there a few times I have noticed this point is like walking through a doorway i.e. a few steps south from the point of no return the gusts become unbelievable.
North of this point doesn't usually seem out of control but its still an always ready situation.
FlyingWhiteBoy
FlyingWhiteBoy
WA
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4 Oct 2006 8:52am
I find leighton to be an excellent spot to kite as long not too southerly in direction. You shouldnt be kiting south of the footbridge anyway so you shouldnt be near the really gusty parts. Done some of my most enjoyable kiting there.
brooksy
brooksy
WA
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4 Oct 2006 9:12am
I don't know why everyone reckons the wind had any southerly in it yesterday, it was a cold front, bringing an almost due west wind. And fronts are nearly always gusty. No matter where you went yesterday it was gusty. (Check the graphs if you don't believe me)

But it is true, that a south to south-southwest wind is gusty at Leighton, as the port mucks it up. But SW - W is clean air.
Kitehard
Kitehard
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4 Oct 2006 9:21am
Hey Peeps,

I used to teach on Leighton years ago and the wind is very nice there (200m South of footbridge) until around 3.30 - 4pm.

The wind is true South west prior to this time but as the heat goes out of the land due to the setting sun and the cooling effect of the sea breeze, the inland has less pull and the wind clocks around more to the South.

As it comes more from the South, the wind comes thru the container yards and also through the oil and petrol storage tanks there at BP and this is what makes it so turbulent.

It happens every sea breeze between 3.30 and 4. Then it gets really gusty and a tiny bit offshore too as the day gets later.

My advice, ride there before 4pm and it's great or buy a bow kite .

Good winds,



anton
anton
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4 Oct 2006 7:28pm
Now that it is warming up, just remember people, NO surfcraft south of the footbridge outside of winter months. I believe the signage clearly states this... don't want another botanybay.
fver
fver
WA
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4 Oct 2006 9:08pm
A desesperate call 10 months later...
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Leighton...
I lost a yellow F one board with my name on it last year...



Also,
Leighton is 45 sec from home... But I travel south of Freo to get a more constant wind than Leighton...
NorthSide
NorthSide
WA
238 posts
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5 Oct 2006 9:31pm
Hi Kitehard,

Just a little correction on your statement regarding the seabreeze direction. It is infact the coriolis effect that actually turns the seabreeze from a westerly around through to a South or south westerly direction. The stronger the breeze, the greater the coriolis effect has on it.

Regards
James
nebbian
nebbian
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5 Oct 2006 10:27pm
Hi Northside,

Coriolis only applies to air moving in the North-South direction, because of the earths rotation. It doesn't affect air flowing east-west.

Kitehard's explanation makes more sense to me
NorthSide
NorthSide
WA
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6 Oct 2006 8:17am
Hi Nebbian,

You are right about Coriolis effect. However, I should have explained further. There is also the effect of the Pressure Gradient Force (PGF) which comes about due to the local heat low over the land. Warm air rising drawing cool air in from over the ocean. This heat low over the land (rising air) is 'cyclonic' therefore affects the direction of the sea breeze (clockwise rotation as air rises). This rotation affects the direction of the seabreeze turning it somtimes parallel with the coast (try drawing it and you'll see what I mean). The moment we get a north south component into a wind direction, it will be affected by coriols effect. Wind heading South to North will have an apparent turn to the left. In other words, around Perth, 'backing' from a Westerly to a Southerly direction. Also, as wind strength increases, so too does the effect of coriolis. Thats a fairly brief summary on how a seabreeze works. Sorry, but Kitehards explanation is not correct and has no scientific explanation to support it.

Regards
James
Kitehard
Kitehard
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6 Oct 2006 8:22am
Hey Northside,

If this is so, then I stand corrected. My version is still easier to understand for the layperson

Good winds,

NorthSide
NorthSide
WA
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6 Oct 2006 8:36am
Hey kitehard,

Probably better explained as, the stronger and/or longer (timewise) the seabreeze, the more Southerly it will turn (West Coast). I'm going to be watching those graphs even closer now just to check the theory is correct! LOL
Another way of demonstrating this is by pointing out that on the East coast the wind starts out as an Easterly and turns to a North Easterly throughout the afternoon. This is a good way of demonstaring the theory. Draw a clockwise pointing circle on the land side of a coast diagram, and then arrows pointing from over the ocean towards the land (90 degrees to the coastline). This makes it easy to demonstarte how the change in direction is initiated. And over time the combination of the two forcs (CF & PGF) changes the seabreeze direction.
Hope this helps
I totally agree with you about the dockyards area generating orographic turbulence at Leightons, on a southerly seabreeze

Regards
James
brooksy
brooksy
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7 Oct 2006 7:20pm
And just to be clear - on the night in question it was gusty because of the front bringing the westerly wind. The gusts had nothing to do with orographic turbulence.

And for my 2c - bows aren't any better than good c kites in gusty conditions, especially the newer "hybrid" c's (Man I hate calling them hybrids! They're just improved c's with not much to do at all with bow dynamics)
FlyingWhiteBoy
FlyingWhiteBoy
WA
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11 Oct 2006 8:36am
Damn, and I thought I was a nerd... someone needs to deal out some serious wedgies here.

Thanks for making me feel dumb guys!!!!
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