This is related to Darren's earlier post that has somewhat digressed. So please leave the "Super Cynics Club" on the other thread, so we can hopefully achieve a positive out come in Scarborough.

There are a number of issues that need to be addressed and managed in a professional way, as has been done at Cottesloe, to avoid us being banned or a serious accident.

Might I suggest we have a Scarborough meeting at Kitestock over the weekend and try and get some positive action happening for the future?

As I see it the main issues that will take some discussion and will not be easy to resolve are:-

- Kiters proximity to others (ie. swimmers, surfers, windsurfers etc.) while on the water.

- Kiters proximity to others when launching.

- Kiters ending up through the flags.

- One item that should be easy to resolve is walking over the dunes with kites, how stupid would it be if we got banned from Scarborough, just because some people don't want to get sand on their kites and don't give a sh-t about the dunes. So regulars let's start explaining to those that do walk on the dunes that it is not allowed and can they help us maintain access by walking on the designated paths.

I'm sure we can with a bit of thought find some solutions or partial solutions to the more difficult issues.

Certainly using Contacios more would be a good start.

Anyone for discussing it over a beer on the weekend?

Thanks,

Ian.

I actually wrote about the dunes issue some time ago Ian but was swamped with stupid remarks from idiots. Looks like waveslave has come for a repeat effort of stupid meaningless comments!

Regarding where you can kite, I am not from Scarborough but I do see the attraction. I would also like to say though, that kiting there or anywhere near there breaks just about all safety rules with regards to beach users that WAKSA, AKSA or IKO can think up.

What is good for one is good for all. Maybe the rules should be displayed, but most of all they should be observed by all. Not just single out a particular minority ! road rules do not allow experienced drivers to speed so why should experienced kiters be allowed to kite where others can't. Accidents can and will happen to the experienced ones also (I agree less often though).

I observed very recently many 'reputable local' kiters setting up and self launching right in and around beach users etc. This is in direct contrast to guidelines of 40M down wind etc recommended by WAKSA and AKSA and IKO.

If kiters wishing to make rules followed them then more would join in the following.

It would actually make a lot of sense if all kiters at Scarborough walked or accessed the beach further downwind and stayed close enough to the beach so that in case of a swim in they reached the beach before the flags. Cynically I can't see this happening because the main attraction of kiting is showing off and being watched. To move away from the beach users will mean that no one is watching !

Sadly - I am not immune to this attraction either but I would enjoy discussing it at Kitestock.

Waveslave if you have nothing sensible to say then keep your hand in your pants, how can you expect us kiters to move to the great heights of you polies with your nonsense interspersed with our creating gibberish.

sorite slave, next time im down at "ur local" ill make sure i run thru the dunes and do my best to drop kites on heads and cause kaos to see how far i can push it befor non of u c-faces can use it.
man wood be good to get rid of the poleys anyways...
then you may end up riding the flat water also...

ian is just tryin to save a close to home spot from being taken away from us because of morons.
it is the people that blow in also.
WAKE up, we are not in a world where we can do what we like anymore.

I think you have about hit the hammer on the nail kitingpaul.
Should have heard the slander I got when mentioning the sand dune issue last winter. Especially from local kiters when I pointed out they were the main culprits. Anyway, that issue has been sorted out and put to bed I hope.

Good idea though Ian. Just as long as the local kiters approach visiting kiters with a friendly attitude when initially advising people of their wrong doings as far as local rules go.
Especially considering there are no signs and EVERYONE is guilty of forgetting a little commonsense at least once in their life.
Basic people skills will defuse situations far more effectively than macho defensiveness.

One of the main dangers I see is those busy days when the Brighton beach flags are set up.
I think in reality we launch too close to those flags. The launch point should probably be atleast 200 metres further South down the beach, even for the most experienced kiter. Waves are really good down there too and far fewer people. We can show off amongst ouselves :-)
I wouldn't be surprised if they enforce that in the near future.

Regards
James Gibbs

Read the tea leaves, fellow Teabaggers.

A wavekiting spot on a major public beach that's immediately upwind of a patrolled, flagged swim zone,
that's heavily influenced by a sucking northbound hell-rip,
is not the ideal location for a kiting spot, is it ?

Reality Check.
It will become more crowded with strings over time due to growth, growth, growth.
With crowds come mishaps.
Experienced or novice, Euros or locals.
Mother Nature doesn't discriminate.

The clubbies will only tolerate so much kooking-out.

Good luck from slave.

Ironically(?), one of the first to discover & surf the area passed away just last month. Check the story at www.seabreeze.com.au/news/

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Originally posted by Ben De Jonge

I here by nominate Wave Slave as the Grand Master of the Super Cynics Club - Anyone second the motion?

(Sorry Laurie)

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ben, have you announced an AGM with 2 weeks notice? and made provision for proxy?

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Originally posted by ERNIE

Waveslave,
Go pull a bong, then fk off and hug a tree.

Fkn Hippi Sht

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Yeah ERNIE,
Sh1t's exactly what you eat when you kitesurf ocean outfalls.
Wipe your chocy brown lips, MOFO.

Green Leader - We're having trouble locking down a venue. Prospective Super Cynics Members seem to think it's either too old school, or too commercial, or too modern, or too american, or too australian, or too big, or too small, or too political, or too military, or too hippie, or too green, or too progrssive.

We're still in discussions.

ben, try the bowls club, that really is a personality leveller!

Slave

The Water Corporations Woodman Point ocean outfall terminates in the
Sepia Depression not Cockburn Sound. This is about 2km directly west
of Garden Island. The tertiary effluent is 99.9% water. The process
that gets the effluent to this stage is quite complex and
sophisticated and includes almost total digestion of pathogens in
bio-reactors known as egg digestors (you can see them on the hill from woodies).
At the present time up to 100,000 kl of effluent are disposed of in the sea and about 20,000 kl
are currently re-cycled for industral use in Kwinana. The re-cycling
process costs about $1.80 kl and is about twice the cost of scheme
water. The re-cycled water in fact frees up the same amount of
scheme water for drinking purposes. The Woodman Point re-cycled
water that Kwinana uses is not potable water even though it is
desalinated.
This is because effluent not only contains traces of human waste but
also traces of drugs (such as endocrine disruptors) antibiotics and
chemicals (eg boron)that almost no treatment process can remove. The
only place in the world that I am aware that encourages its'
population to actually drink treated effluent is Singapore and that
is an authoritarian state. In California for instance, fish
that feed around the ocean outfalls are experiencing some changes to
their sexual attributes so we need to be very very cautious about how
we use even the best treated effluent. The other issue with
re-cycling of effluent is cost. This is still a factor of about 5 to
10 times more expensive than developing conventional sources of water
such as borefields and catchments.

Basically the issue is what do we do with human waste products? It
can be disposed of in the sea or on land. Humans live on the land
not in the sea which would you prefer? Disposal in the sea is
relatively cheap and safe. Does the public really want to pay ten
times as much to have the issues associated with drugs, chemicals etc
being taken up by the groundwater under their houses? Do they want
to risk drinking treated effluent? Do they want the effluent to be
used to grow their food? There just aren't many safe and acceptable
options and sea disposal is safest at the present time and if we need
more water, desalination of the sea is safer, cheaper and less
technologically difficult than attempting to treat wastewater. The
debate is ongoing throughout the world and it is not a simple issue
to resolve but the first place to start is with the facts.

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Originally posted by gruezi


I love to kite in human waste

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LOL Gruezi !

Destroy the waves......not the enviroment.

Save our Seas,
waveslave

They do it in Australia too.

Woodies is fine, the worst stuff comes from the clueless families who leave their butts, bottles and bags all over the beach when they run off as the sea breeze come sin.

Woodies needs some bins, badly.