Kite Decision - F One Bandit - Advise Required

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lemming
lemming
WA
75 posts
WA, 75 posts
12 Dec 2007 3:25am
Hi all,

I have been kiting properly for about a year now. My current set-up is as follows
12m Liquid Force Assault
LF WLF 140x45cm Board
I tend to fluctuate between 88 and 90kgs

I have progressed to the stage where I can usually stay upwind and in general my turns are reasonably well executed. I am finding it difficult to progess to the next level though. The main reasons I am finding for this are:
1) If i make a couple of mistakes with my turns in relatively quick succession, I end up down wind and it then takes me a while to get back up wind. I can stay up wind and go up wind fairly slowly compared to others around me. Don't get me wrong, I am sure that my technique could be refined further
2) I find that the turning speed of the kite hinders any attempts to perform jumps. Again, I am sure technique is the biggest issue here again.

However, after flying a 9m Bandit in 22-24 knts of wind this weekend, I was blown away by the responsiveness and turning speed of the kite. I was particularly impressed by the power in the kite and the fact that it felt that I could have easily have got lift out of the water from the kite, something which I have never felt with my current set-up. I am now adamant that I need to upgrade my kite and possibly get a smaller board.

So i have these questions to people who have ridden and do ride the bandits:
1) Do you find that the 11m is a lot slower in the turn and in responsiveness than the 9m
2) What quiver do you have and what weight are you?
3) What sort of wind strength do you usually kite in and what size do you use for different wind speeds.

I appreciate any opinions you have on any of the above questions. I am trying to seek advice from as wider audience as possible, so I can be sure that I make the right choice.

Thanks in advance
Lemm
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
12 Dec 2007 12:01pm
Turning speed will be quite a bit faster on a 9m compared to a 11m, but also bear in mind you are comparing a new kite to a 2 year old kite and a lot happens in two years, particularly around turning speed on bows, so its not really surprising the bandit is substantially faster, it should be.

around point 1), it could be technique, it could be kite and it could be board, or it could be combination of the above. It could also be lightish conditions with a technique that is not 100% refined for light wind, bow kites require a specific technique for light wind. The LF's also tend to have a bit of a rocker on them which will make it harder to go upwind, because they are designed to be ridden power (wakestyle).

2) Quiver would depend on two things, weight and location. A one kite quiver for melbourne for most riders is a 12m, 2 kites would be 14/9. where are you located?

3) What wind speed? Again, depends on rider weight so you are bound to get 100 different responses back. Also depends on whether you have a smaller kite, for example, with someone who only has one kite, they'd be tempted to stay on their 12m all the way up to 30 knots, whereas someone with a 9m as well would probably switch to the 9m somewhere between 20-25 knots because its more responsive.
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
12 Dec 2007 11:18am
I've got a 9 and a 13 Bandit and weigh about 95kg, I reckon this is a pretty good combo as the 13 takes me from about 15 - >20 comfortably and the 9 starts at <20 and takes me up to 30ish no worries. My TT boards range from a 150 Airush Switch to a 132 FLX Underground.
Of course the 9 turns a lot faster than the 13 and is much more fun when there is enough wind, but I think the 13 would still be quicker than your current 12, and the 11 is quicker again.
If I was only going for 1 kite it would be the 11, and also I think a narrower board might be better too.
What ever size you choose I'm sure you will be happy and your kiting will improve heaps, coz the Bandit rocks and will give you more confidence IMHO.
Sky Hook
Sky Hook
VIC
36 posts
VIC, 36 posts
12 Dec 2007 5:45pm
Hey Lemming,
I'm about 90kgs and have one kite in my quiver - 11m Bandit - wikid kite. I brought this kite at the start of this season and before that had about one and a half seasons under my harness (on an older C shaped Kite). Anyway I have to say that this kite has single handedly improved my kiting... it sits where you want it when you're cruising up wind, boosts really nicely and still has awesome grunt when you want to gun it.... winds from 14-25knts and could have dealt with more... adjusting the length of your front lines gives heaps more wind range hence why I've only needed an 11m so far.

I haven't tried the 9m yet so can't comment on the difference in turning speed but my kite turns fast for me so don't think this will be a prob.

One bit of advice though - get the 2nd generation Bandit (more reinforcement on LE)

http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2343884&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=bandit+rip&start=10

Hope this helps \nn/


MOJO
MOJO
QLD
40 posts
QLD, 40 posts
16 Dec 2007 12:13am
I ve got a 9m & 13m, I love the 13 It has so much rang. The 9m for me is for the surf or 28 to 46knots. i'm 95 k & feel fine on the 13 in 11 to 28knots.
Abesy
Abesy
WA
266 posts
WA, 266 posts
16 Dec 2007 1:11am
46 knots on a 9m! think thats a bit of bull*@#$
You really sure bout that, i would say more like 35.....
ran
ran
VIC
333 posts
ran ran
VIC, 333 posts
17 Dec 2007 3:09pm
im 95 kgs and can hold my 13 bandit in upto 30, but its crazy! and its not really a great deal of fun, infact its ****.. so 46 on a 9, well maybe u can but at that wind speed i think a 7 would be better and crazy fun! anyway bandits rock!~
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
17 Dec 2007 1:40pm
if you can hold a 9m in over 35 knots.. then the kite is either REDICULOUSLY piss weak.. or you weigh around 500KG!!!!

once again people.. dont quote the highest gust of the day as the windspeed you wer kiting in.. AVERAGE windspeed is the one you quote.. e.g. Friday was lets say a constant 22knots with a 26 knot gust.. you do not say you wer kiting in 26 knots you say you were kiting in 22 knots. and over the spread use the lower of the wind averages to be more accurate

another thing is alot of wind meters are very un accurate, my old mans one used to read 12 - 13 knots when the actual windspeed was 20 knots ( shown by internet graphs)

and lastly.. DONT OVER EXADURATE to make yourself feel/sound like a big boy. even a 7 is big for 46 knots.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
17 Dec 2007 4:01pm
Charl dv said...

if you can hold a 9m in over 35 knots.. then the kite is either REDICULOUSLY piss weak.. or you weigh around 500KG!!!!

once again people.. dont quote the highest gust of the day as the windspeed you wer kiting in.. AVERAGE windspeed is the one you quote.. e.g. Friday was lets say a constant 22knots with a 26 knot gust.. you do not say you wer kiting in 26 knots you say you were kiting in 22 knots. and over the spread use the lower of the wind averages to be more accurate

another thing is alot of wind meters are very un accurate, my old mans one used to read 12 - 13 knots when the actual windspeed was 20 knots ( shown by internet graphs)

and lastly.. DONT OVER EXADURATE to make yourself feel/sound like a big boy. even a 7 is big for 46 knots.


I'll put money on him not being able to hold his 9m in 46 knots. As you say, there is a huge difference between hanging on through a 46 knot gust (feasible but not fun) and kiting in consistent 46 knot winds (mother^%#&ing impossible unless you are god or are in the morbidly obese category)

Nobody is impressed by these claims, and if you really do take your kite out in these winds, they'll just look at you as irresponsible.
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
17 Dec 2007 2:36pm
Saffer said...

Charl dv said...

if you can hold a 9m in over 35 knots.. then the kite is either REDICULOUSLY piss weak.. or you weigh around 500KG!!!!

once again people.. dont quote the highest gust of the day as the windspeed you wer kiting in.. AVERAGE windspeed is the one you quote.. e.g. Friday was lets say a constant 22knots with a 26 knot gust.. you do not say you wer kiting in 26 knots you say you were kiting in 22 knots. and over the spread use the lower of the wind averages to be more accurate

another thing is alot of wind meters are very un accurate, my old mans one used to read 12 - 13 knots when the actual windspeed was 20 knots ( shown by internet graphs)

and lastly.. DONT OVER EXADURATE to make yourself feel/sound like a big boy. even a 7 is big for 46 knots.


I'll put money on him not being able to hold his 9m in 46 knots. As you say, there is a huge difference between hanging on through a 46 knot gust (feasible but not fun) and kiting in consistent 46 knot winds (mother^%#&ing impossible unless you are god or are in the morbidly obese category)

Nobody is impressed by these claims, and if you really do take your kite out in these winds, they'll just look at you as irresponsible.


Totally agree Saffer and Charl, you will notice that my wind ranges are very conservative and I said comfortably. Sure I can ride the 13 in less than 15kts, 10kts is ok on my surfboard but 15 is about where it becomes any sort of fun on a twintip and I have had it out in about 25 no problems at all but as soon as it gets much over 20 I'd rather be on my 9.
I have only ever ridden my 9 up to about 30 but i dont think 35 would be out of the question but anything over that would not be much fun IMO.
posko
posko
WA
179 posts
WA, 179 posts
17 Dec 2007 2:50pm
Choice have a F-ONE board you might like to have a look at to keep your kit all F-ONE..

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