Kite and Sailboarder issue at Pinnaroo

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Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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8 Jan 2006 8:17pm
Today was a great day at the beach for all and Sundry... well nearly all. Some complete noob turned up and went down the beach, just upwind of the sailboarders beach area and decided to teach himself how to kite in 25 knots of cross offshore gusty wind.

He managed to launch it and crash it seconds later fully powered into the water right between swimmers and a couple of sailboarder, both of whom were minding their own business . The kiter was overpowered and had no idea. Quite rightly the sailboarders came over and started bending the ears of any kiter in range. They were upset but very reasonable, and asked if we could keep the area they use to launch, free of kiters. This area is between the first and second beach access pathways. Its not too much to ask, after all, they're only there on windy days generally.

If kiters could stay South of the first pathway towards the point and not come in until after the second pathway to the north, that would really help relations and keep our beach access the way we like it ... free. If you see noobs down there self teaching, please let them know of the sailboarders area.

The sailboarders have been exposed to a few dills that dont want to come up to the point in fear of looking like noobs in front of everyone, however, the point is clear of peeps apart from kiters as the rest of the beach North is filled with swimmers, sunbathers, families, fisherman and Jetskiers. Please try and keep up near the access road onto the beach and do not go right down the beach if it is crowded. In the interests of public and sailboarder safety .

They've been pretty good about it, I'd personally have been pissed off

Good winds to all
VB MAN
VB MAN
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8 Jan 2006 9:39pm
This doesn't just go for Pinnaroo. If your a local at any spot and you see a newby scratching his/her head or doing something that looks totally wrong to you, don't just stand back and wait for the show when they launch. Stop them. Offer to Help them. And if they tell you to Get Fcked.
CUT THEIR LINES!!

Okay thats the very heavy handed way to go about it, but remember if you let people stuff up like Darren has just explained, it's only a matter of time before we start getting grief and banned from our local fav spots.

Take a little time, take a little effort to help the newbies out, because the sooner they are safe on the water, the safer you are.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
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8 Jan 2006 10:02pm
???.......and the last thing that I can remember about that sport called kitesurfing...
Yeah, it was the infamous newbie zoo invasion.
Heck, every damn beach was infested by them.
And when they launched their ugly bow kites on those public beaches with the Mums and Dads and the kids;
****, it was like watching a freaking trainwreck !

Man, the END happened so fast, ofcourse it's all just a blurrrr now.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
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9 Jan 2006 12:26am
sounds like the prologue to a sensational movie.
keep up the good work.
VB MAN
VB MAN
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1156 posts
8 Jan 2006 10:42pm
you already in ya rockin chair Slave?
airhead
airhead
WA
814 posts
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9 Jan 2006 11:18am
down at cott yesterday afternoon and it's absolutley nuk'n 25+ knts

mum, dad and the kids come down and go swimming right in front of the kiters launching area... its gotta be the most sh1tiest place on the whole WA coast for a swim. go figure?
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
9 Jan 2006 11:25am
Airhead, totally agree...
but at the same token, it wouldnt make sense to us as kiters but to them they are not doing any harm.
This is more of a reason for getting kiting out there to the public as a general interet story so that people are made aware. It would suck that the general community is made aware only by some news headline "Young girl killed by kite".
More signs, more public awareness.

We're the last on the importance list unfortunately.
Jesse19
Jesse19
WA
101 posts
WA, 101 posts
9 Jan 2006 3:48pm
i reckon to thgis whole issue if we do have to start making our own signs we should doesnt matter how dodgey they are if the coucil isnt goin to do anything about it we should. otherwise dan is goin to be correct about the headlines :( dont wanna c it happen hey
airhead
airhead
WA
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9 Jan 2006 4:09pm
the council have included a warning to the public re: kitesurfing on its sign at cott so they have basically indemnified themselves. still does not stop joe public from coming down and taking a dip in amongst the crew
Jesse19
Jesse19
WA
101 posts
WA, 101 posts
9 Jan 2006 4:27pm
what do u think about beach marker just like housing developements mark out our part of the beach for launching and rigging etc. any1 got any other ideas. i didnt find the windsurfer launch area clear and sometimes have pulled up on that spot not knowing it was already taken. the public should be told that kiters have right of way in that areaand to stay min. 50m from any kites on the beach. just a suggestion
mind u im just a kook havin a good time so if i cant figure it out how was the other guy that stuffed up supposed to know or even the general public???
milosh
milosh
35 posts
35 posts
9 Jan 2006 4:32pm
there are flags for people to swim between. they are patrolled by lifeguards and are large enough for many people to swim between. if the people are stupid enough to swim out of the flags then they can die and go to hell because they are stupid ****s.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
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9 Jan 2006 7:10pm
Families ie, mums and dads bring their kids to the beach for some entertainment. Kids seem to like kites, so to some parents getting close to kites makes sense.

In my experience, and especially while teaching, going up to these families before they finish settling down, and in a very friendly and concerned way explain that the student flying that kite has very little control and that kite lines under tension can cut flesh very easily. This is all it takes for them to happily move to a safer spot. Even offering that upwind is the safest is well recieved.

On one occasion I offered the father a quick try if he waited till the end of that lesson. he did and was an instant hero to his kids, bet he won't be bagging Kiters.

Best winds
Tony L
ABK
user
user
WA
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9 Jan 2006 6:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by milosh

there are flags for people to swim between. they are patrolled by lifeguards and are large enough for many people to swim between. if the people are stupid enough to swim out of the flags then they can die and go to hell because they are stupid ****s.



I think you should take your stupid attitude back to Brazil !
We dont need that s*** here!
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
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9 Jan 2006 9:52pm
Unfortunately, the law of the sea dictates that swimmers have all the rights, then large ships (containers, tankers, etc) then sail craft (incl windsurfers but not us), then motor boats.
After that it's kite surfers and I reckon last of all jet skis.
Who wants to end up like them? Being limited to all the ** spots.
There may be stupid people out there swimming, but they have all the rights. So it's up to us to help newbs out and stay away from swimmers. It's just the way the law is. And the best way to keep our access, is to allow everyone the right to quiet enjoyment - without being scared away by a crashing or low flying kite! Just wait until you crash your kite near the local politicians kids on your favourite beach...
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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10 Jan 2006 10:13am
quote:
On one occasion I offered the father a quick try if he waited till the end of that lesson. he did and was an instant hero to his kids, bet he won't be bagging Kiters.

Brilliance tony sheer brilliance.

Was down at the river yesterday, there was a guy out on a Naish Boxer at about 1pm, bloke already on beach, with 2 kids running around building sandcastles.
Guy lost control, too close in, kite came down with a thump, hit the beach missing the kids by literally centimetres.
I went to have a chat with dad he was well, suprisingly cool, had it been me i'd have cut the guys lines and let down his car tyres.
Turns out the guy was an old windsurfer and interested in kites. Told hime to start you need lessons and used the guy who f****d up as an example of why!
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
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10 Jan 2006 5:13pm
That's cool PR,
and you've made a new friend.

Now tell him about Seabreeze so we can let him know your real side.[}:)]

Best Winds
Tony L
ABK
ran
ran
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333 posts
ran ran
VIC, 333 posts
11 Jan 2006 12:36pm
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

Families ie, mums and dads bring their kids to the beach for some entertainment. Kids seem to like kites, so to some parents getting close to kites makes sense.

In my experience, and especially while teaching, going up to these families before they finish settling down, and in a very friendly and concerned way explain that the student flying that kite has very little control and that kite lines under tension can cut flesh very easily. This is all it takes for them to happily move to a safer spot. Even offering that upwind is the safest is well recieved.

On one occasion I offered the father a quick try if he waited till the end of that lesson. he did and was an instant hero to his kids, bet he won't be bagging Kiters.

Best winds
Tony L
ABK



mate i like your style, this is a great example on handling the situation, i have found 9 out of 10 people are open to a friendly suggestion, at the noosa river mouth we have a great deal of fishermen right where we kite, we do get situations where a line gets tangled in a board, anyway most of the time a friendly chat sorts it out. Anyway nice work.
Kevy
Kevy
WA
2 posts
WA, 2 posts
11 Jan 2006 11:12pm
quote:
had it been me i'd have cut the guys lines and let down his car tyres.



Poor relative,

That’s pretty harsh! Everyone is new to the sport at some stage. I was the newbie that you are referring to and was out with a board for the first time. I was a bit overwhelmed with a gust and lost control of the kite. I was totally embarrassed about crashing the kite near the guy with his kids but they were not there on the beach when I launched (or you launched me if that was you).

By the way I have had lessons and I’m sure that even more experienced kiters f**k up every now and again….as seen at Mullaloo.
gilbo
gilbo
VIC
26 posts
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12 Jan 2006 3:38pm
I would agree with Kevy, more than a bit harsh. So the guy was out Kiting at 1pm probadly to get some experience when there is not to many people around and maybe the Freo Dr isn't fully in yet. Sounds responsible to me. Seems like an accident. What's not an accident is when you see F!@$ whits flying kites almost to the boot of their car and landing them on the grass cause they dont want a bit sand on the kite or launching upwind of a nice family picnic. I have even seen a guy at LongReef kite attached in carpark (Sth End) talking on his Mbl phone. Big difference between an accident and irresponsible behaviour.

Oo I crashed my kite yesterday aswell!

quote:
Originally posted by Kevy

quote:
had it been me i'd have cut the guys lines and let down his car tyres.



Poor relative,

That’s pretty harsh! Everyone is new to the sport at some stage. I was the newbie that you are referring to and was out with a board for the first time. I was a bit overwhelmed with a gust and lost control of the kite. I was totally embarrassed about crashing the kite near the guy with his kids but they were not there on the beach when I launched (or you launched me if that was you).

By the way I have had lessons and I’m sure that even more experienced kiters f**k up every now and again….as seen at Mullaloo.


fences
fences
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89 posts
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12 Jan 2006 4:22pm
kevy,
Sure it was an accident and I totally agree that everyone has had a few crashed especially in the learning phase of kiting (and beyond) but if you were in the family guys position, would have been happy if your kid got struck by a kite? Hell no! The point is, you could have killed the kid.
Why were you so close to shore? I thought the Melville action group had posted some guidelines outlining the safest use of the area which includes not venturing in within 50m of the shore unless launching or landing because its too gusty. Am I wrong and just talking ****? This group came about because of the very incident that occurred; pedestrians nearly being taken out by kiters and rumours of approaching the council to get it banned. Theyve done as much as they can reasonably do for now, the rest is up to the riders.
Unfortunately kiters have to get harsh on people otherwise nothing will ever get through. So sorry, I would agree with anyone who gave you a mouthful.
I do not want the sport banned.
jjd
jjd
WA
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jjd jjd
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12 Jan 2006 2:07pm
quote:
Originally posted by fences

kevy,
Why were you so close to shore? I thought the Melville action group had posted some guidelines outlining the safest use of the area which includes not venturing in within 50m of the shore unless launching or landing because its too gusty. Am I wrong and just talking ****?


he think you will find he was at Pinnaroo!
fences
fences
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89 posts
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12 Jan 2006 5:13pm
quote:
Originally posted by jjd

quote:
Originally posted by fences

kevy,
Why were you so close to shore? I thought the Melville action group had posted some guidelines outlining the safest use of the area which includes not venturing in within 50m of the shore unless launching or landing because its too gusty. Am I wrong and just talking ****?


he think you will find he was at Pinnaroo!



nah poor relative reckons he was at the river
quote:
Was down at the river yesterday, there was a guy out on a Naish Boxer at about 1pm, bloke already on beach, with 2 kids running around building sandcastles.
Guy lost control, too close in, kite came down with a thump, hit the beach missing the kids by literally centimetres.
I went to have a chat with dad he was well, suprisingly cool, had it been me i'd have cut the guys lines and let down his car tyres.
Turns out the guy was an old windsurfer and interested in kites. Told hime to start you need lessons and used the guy who f****d up as an example of why!
jjd
jjd
WA
705 posts
jjd jjd
WA, 705 posts
12 Jan 2006 4:25pm
yeah right
can we mend? Fences
Kevy
Kevy
WA
2 posts
WA, 2 posts
12 Jan 2006 4:55pm
Fences,

I had just launched, grabbed my board and was on the way out, hence the reason for being so close to shore. I think that it was poor relative that helped me launch...not sure though.

By the way where are the Melville guidlines posted? I wasn't aware of any signs down there.
Jesse19
Jesse19
WA
101 posts
WA, 101 posts
12 Jan 2006 10:05pm
do you see what my argument was a few days ago. there are no big public signs to inform anyone. like myself had no idea about the sailboard launch area off the beach at pinnaroo.
or even set up a website that has the guidelines for each popular spot and post signs refering people to the website for the guidelines.
AK47
AK47
QLD
23 posts
QLD, 23 posts
19 Jan 2006 10:37pm
Jesse I reckon you could take it further and combine all the info available so you could search on known sites Australia wide and see not only wind and tide info but also local maps with suggested launching areas. You could also include warnings about "when not to kite" i.e. strong gusty on shore winds and accounts of accidents and how they happened. Haha I don't know who's gonna do this but I reckon it'd be really useful.
Alex - WAKSA
Alex - WAKSA
WA
47 posts
WA, 47 posts
19 Jan 2006 9:47pm
quote:
Originally posted by Jesse19
set up a website that has the guidelines for each popular spot and post signs refering people to the website for the guidelines.



Hi Jesse,

Take a look on the WAKSA website http://www.waksa.org.au/local-area-guides/ where we have setup some guides for some of the most popular spots in and around Perth.

We're working on adding more as well as keeping these ones updated with more information as it becomes available. The only way we can do this is by hearing back from kiters that regularly use particular spots.

Drop us an email at [email protected]
mailto:[email protected] if you have additional info we can add.

Safe kiting

Alex
WAKSA
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
19 Jan 2006 10:15pm
Yeah maybe i was a bit harsh, sorry Kevvy no offence intended dont want to make enemies and yes it was me that launched you.

**** happens i know.... it happens to me regulary but once your kite is up get the hell away from the beach quick. Once you've launched you are already a kite line length away, good start, but continue to move deeper in case the kite comes down.

When launching take the board with you throw it upwind then concentrate on launching. Once kite is in air board should either be next to you or downwind slightly.

melville is a fkn zoo at the moment kites in trees guys dragged across the road too much people in a small area. Kids and families on the beach in the middle of kites landing launching people walking dogs. Its a fkn zoo.

as has been mentioned melville worked hard last year to firstly get bouys 50m from the beach to highlight the launch/land zone along the beach. You never sail in this area, ie launch walk out go from the buoys.

looking today it was hardly worth the bother of having rules as no-one except for a few abides by them.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
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19 Jan 2006 10:16pm
quote:
Originally posted by Alex - WAKSA







We're working on adding more as well as keeping these ones updated with more information as it becomes available. The only way we can do this is by hearing back from kiters that regularly use particular spots.



Safe kiting

Alex
WAKSA





Friendly advice for WAKSA:

Please be wise about giving out information when it comes to exposing certain sites on your website.
Some sites due to their limited area are not suitable for crowds,
have dodgy launches and landings due to cross-off wind conditions,
are used by familys and fishermen regularly,
and are not kite newbie-friendly.

Your attention has been appreciated.

Regards,
waveslave.
VB MAN
VB MAN
1156 posts
1156 posts
19 Jan 2006 10:56pm
Hey Rellie me ol' mate, your gonna have new crowd rockin up all the time, and unless you guy's take a moment or two (I know it's hard) to help or assist and to warn the nubies, newbies, noodbies and the total screwupables of what the dangers are, this sort of gig is gonna continue.

Having been kiting at Peli Point recently due to work commitments, I'm totally stoked with the proactive approach the local riders have to spotting a danger (especially in the launching/landing zone).

kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
20 Jan 2006 12:01am
when are they going to remove the 3 star picks from the very middle of the launch land area
they don't even have the protector thingies on top
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