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Helliquin
Helliquin
15 posts
15 posts
16 Jan 2012 11:25am
Hey all

I am getting into this sport and been looking around at gear - strangely all the manufacturer websites praise their products, they'll do everything up to giving back rubs. So I cant really trust their opinions...

I have asked around and obviously everyone has their own opinion re: gear and brands but I am curious if there is a general review somewhere...?

Something like.. LF is like Hyundai of kiting, Ozone is the porche...

Obviously dont slander names but I am curious of a brands reputation, if you wanted to share. Who has bad build quality, whos are old dependables... that kinda thing.

Of if this kind of list has been done before - could you point me in the right direction?

Thanks in advance
Skid
Skid
QLD
1499 posts
QLD, 1499 posts
16 Jan 2012 1:39pm
Can of worms = open

Just test as many different kites as you can (easier said than done in some locations), and decide what is right for you.

It seems that most people will praise the kite(s) that they choose to fly, maybe try to ask them what features they like about a particular kite so you can understand their choice. ie. someone might like a kite that they can just 'park' and cruise, someone else might a very lively kite.

In the end, it gets down to what suits you.
campatrol
campatrol
VIC
76 posts
VIC, 76 posts
16 Jan 2012 2:44pm
Im in search of another kite as an all rounder.
And also after this sort of info.
What about
Which Kite not to go anywhere near? or which kite to avoid.
Lemons??
sorry for the hi jack
cheers cam
Helliquin
Helliquin
15 posts
15 posts
16 Jan 2012 11:47am
Yes, I agree with can o worms - but Brand rep... not individual kites. I just want to narrow down the field a bit.

Some people say the modern kites 2010 and newer, are all pretty much identical...

where as some people will say "You want a XXX? Nah... they all have a ****ty build quality"



Wisha
Wisha
SA
255 posts
SA, 255 posts
16 Jan 2012 2:28pm
Maybe go the other way, or be more specific..

What brands have refused warranty claims? or generally not delivered? gone over and above?

I have heard of some of the bigger companies trying to dodge warranties, but i'll leave it up to the people direct to tell you.

On the positive side, mates Core kite had a slow leaking valve outside the warranty period (quite possibly own fault due to heat). They offered to send spare valves at no charge, or the option to send it back, which he did. They replaced the whole leading edge bladder with a new one to be safe, no questions asked, no charge.

Naish, while I never had any luck with the canopies on the sigma kites (two different kites, both ripped when landing on water - outside of warranty. They did come to the party with a chicken loop. Was out of warranty by about a year, the metal pin holding the chicken loop rusted out, chicken loop sunk. They sent a me new one, no charge as well.

Ocean Rodeo seem to be quite a supportive company, don't think anyone would complain about the way they go about business.
Andrash
Andrash
WA
637 posts
WA, 637 posts
16 Jan 2012 12:00pm
A few lessons from a qualified instructor would be a good start, then demo.
Kite boarding has become a very competitive industry. I don't think you can really find "bad kites" from the common brands. The rest is personal preference.
JJB
JJB
QLD
115 posts
JJB JJB
QLD, 115 posts
16 Jan 2012 2:16pm
working in a kite store the one brand I have found that out does the rest with build quility is Ozone.

I ride a slingshot rally and changing to RPMs when the new ones come out but I have found the Ozone kites have have a build quality that completely surpasses all other brands.

And the cheaper option I have found that have awesome build quality are Crazy fly. They much such a great kite for the price and they have really hit the market with something that went above and beyond what anyone expected of them.

Theres always the other safe well built options e.g. cabrinha, slingshot, core, naish, north, best
surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
2707 posts
NSW, 2707 posts
16 Jan 2012 3:21pm
Stay away from Best and you will buy a good kite IMHO!

toolman
toolman
WA
21 posts
WA, 21 posts
16 Jan 2012 12:34pm
In the same situation atm, so holding out for KiteStock to walk along beach at test all that I can.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
16 Jan 2012 3:39pm
Opinion are like clitorises. Every C^&nts got one.

There are cheap brands, there are expensive brands. Generally the finishing on the more expensive brands will be slightly better, but it won't affect the performance and generally won't affect reliability much. I.e. if you look at the machining of parts or the plastic moulding, the more expensive brands look a little cleaner. The way I like to think of it is simple. Driving a BMW won't make you a better driver, it all comes down to how much time you spend driving.

Performance of kites is pretty similar across the board. Some kites have good years and some have bad years so its not to say a premium brand guarantees the best kite and its not to say that the cheaper brands guarantee the worst kite. The only solution is to test or if you're not skilled enough, work off the opinion of someone you trust so you don't get a dud kite (they are produced from time to time, the turbo diesel and link come to mind).

I've used both before (cheap and expensive). The effect it will have on your kiting will have more to do with the actual kite suiting the way you ride than the price of the kite.

au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
16 Jan 2012 12:49pm
IMHO it's not just about the kite either, some brands have control bars that are way to cluttererd and complicated, or have dodgy safety releases, etc....
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
16 Jan 2012 4:07pm
As a beginner, I would concentrate on the control bar, depower and safety systems rather than the kite itself. Most "beginner - intermediate" kites these days are going to get you up and going.

In my experience I like the Naish system as everything is below the bar, but the cleat jams pretty hard on the depower rope and can be hard to release.

The North above the bar system look easy to use and seems to adjust pretty fast.

Also, the newer 5th line kites look great as you can release to 5th, get out of trouble and then recover the bar, reset the release and get going again without having to come to shore. This is something 4 lines kites are no good at, as a rule.
Robbo2099
Robbo2099
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
16 Jan 2012 1:09pm
Find a demo day. Try as many as you can. Buy what you like and what you can afford.

Most shops or brands will let you borrow a kite for a demo (on the understanding that if you damage it, you buy it)

There are a lot of good kites around these days. If you can't find a demo day, just find someone who sells the kite and ask them for a demo. With so much to choose from these days the competition is stiff and most of it comes down to what you get used to. People tend to defend a particular brand because they get used to flying it. Find something that feels good to you and you'll be on your way and in good shape.

In the end, these days, customers service is the big differentiator--and you won't get that on eBay. Buy local. Ask around and find out what shops and brands treat customers well. Saving a hundred bucks buying overseas is of little value if there's no one here to help you when something goes wrong and you need help.
surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
2707 posts
NSW, 2707 posts
16 Jan 2012 4:12pm
Saffer said...

...(they are produced from time to time, the turbo diesel and link come to mind).


And the RPM to that list too!!!
That kite is a dud, but everyone seems to ride them???
Obviously Slingshot has good marketing...

TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
16 Jan 2012 1:15pm
Choose your local shop that can support you the best and go with what they recommend. In the end if you have problems with the kite it will be up to them to sort it out.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
16 Jan 2012 5:21pm
surfingboye said...

Saffer said...

...(they are produced from time to time, the turbo diesel and link come to mind).


And the RPM to that list too!!!
That kite is a dud, but everyone seems to ride them???
Obviously Slingshot has good marketing...




I assume thats sarcasm, but the link and turbo diesel were both dud's. The RPM is a decent kite. The link was less dud like when you change the bridle.

There are a couple of other brands that had dud's as well. Airush had the halo, I think it was that dropped out the sky more than a base jumper. Some kite brands haven't had dud's per say, just really mediocre kites that didn't really compete much with the opposition or were a year behind.
Wanga F One
Wanga F One
QLD
231 posts
QLD, 231 posts
16 Jan 2012 4:31pm
TurtleHunter said...

Choose your local shop that can support you the best and go with what they recommend. In the end if you have problems with the kite it will be up to them to sort it out.


Right on.
As a beginner it's hard to know what you like, the kite pulls like a truck and that's that.
bennie
bennie
ACT
1258 posts
ACT, 1258 posts
16 Jan 2012 5:34pm
surfingboye said...

Saffer said...

...(they are produced from time to time, the turbo diesel and link come to mind).


And the RPM to that list too!!!
That kite is a dud, but everyone seems to ride them???
Obviously Slingshot has good marketing...




youri zoon thinks so
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
16 Jan 2012 4:06pm
Saffer said...

surfingboye said...

Saffer said...

...(they are produced from time to time, the turbo diesel and link come to mind).


And the RPM to that list too!!!
That kite is a dud, but everyone seems to ride them???
Obviously Slingshot has good marketing...




I assume thats sarcasm, but the link and turbo diesel were both dud's. The RPM is a decent kite. The link was less dud like when you change the bridle.

There are a couple of other brands that had dud's as well. Airush had the halo, I think it was that dropped out the sky more than a base jumper. Some kite brands haven't had dud's per say, just really mediocre kites that didn't really compete much with the opposition or were a year behind.



haha the old halo...
It was the most powerful thing you could hang off a bar. It's not that it was a dud it just wasn't what people were after so maybe a marketing dud.
RPM
RPM
WA
1549 posts
RPM RPM
WA, 1549 posts
16 Jan 2012 4:10pm
surfingboye said...

Saffer said...

...(they are produced from time to time, the turbo diesel and link come to mind).


And the RPM to that list too!!!
That kite is a dud, but everyone seems to ride them???
Obviously Slingshot has good marketing...




ha ha.... your reply demonstrates your inteligence...

What do you ride surfingboye???
yeehaa
yeehaa
QLD
123 posts
QLD, 123 posts
16 Jan 2012 6:22pm
Find a local shop and try to get to know them. If you start buying gear from one place and get to know them they will look after you.

And to choose a kite, have a budget and see which brand has the best deal.

If you stick to the common brands you'll find they all perfom in a simular manner, it's only after riding for two or so years and trying a few kites you will get to know what style you have and which kite suits you.

campatrol
campatrol
VIC
76 posts
VIC, 76 posts
16 Jan 2012 7:41pm
What about second hand kites??
is there a year that you should stay above? eg 2008 too old??
obviuosly the newer the better. but just for interest sake.
is 2008 getting on a bit?
1likeBJ
1likeBJ
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
16 Jan 2012 4:48pm
JJB said...

working in a kite store the one brand I have found that out does the rest with build quility is Ozone.

I ride a slingshot rally and changing to RPMs when the new ones come out but I have found the Ozone kites have have a build quality that completely surpasses all other brands.


Might be a dumb question but then out of interest why not ride C4 or Reo (depending freestyle or waves) instead of RPM?
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
16 Jan 2012 10:00pm
campatrol said...

What about second hand kites??
is there a year that you should stay above? eg 2008 too old??
obviuosly the newer the better. but just for interest sake.
is 2008 getting on a bit?


Hard question to answer, if a kite has been used every season since 2008 it will be worn out, but if it's hardly been used there were plenty of good kites back then.
The last really major leap in kite technology was the Bow/SLE development in the 2005-2006 season, since then there have been refinements and improvements in all areas, some lemons, some achilles heels, and a few gems.

Not going near the brand reputation business, but I'm hanging to take my new 10m Porsche for a spin tomorrow.

campatrol
campatrol
VIC
76 posts
VIC, 76 posts
16 Jan 2012 10:26pm
tobes said...

campatrol said...

What about second hand kites??
is there a year that you should stay above? eg 2008 too old??
obviuosly the newer the better. but just for interest sake.
is 2008 getting on a bit?


Hard question to answer, if a kite has been used every season since 2008 it will be worn out, but if it's hardly been used there were plenty of good kites back then.
The last really major leap in kite technology was the Bow/SLE development in the 2005-2006 season, since then there have been refinements and improvements in all areas, some lemons, some achilles heels, and a few gems.

Not going near the brand reputation business, but I'm hanging to take my new 10m Porsche for a spin tomorrow.




AAHHH right'o
Im going from a 01 foil to somthing newer lol
anything is going to be better so ive been told.
Going to try and get the best i can for the year and budget.
thanks for the reply
cheers cam
rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
QLD, 362 posts
16 Jan 2012 11:26pm
[b]Helliquin

Something like.. LF is like Hyundai of kiting, Ozone is the porche...




then north must be a bugatti vayron,,,,
JJB
JJB
QLD
115 posts
JJB JJB
QLD, 115 posts
16 Jan 2012 11:37pm
1likeBJ said...

JJB said...

working in a kite store the one brand I have found that out does the rest with build quility is Ozone.

I ride a slingshot rally and changing to RPMs when the new ones come out but I have found the Ozone kites have have a build quality that completely surpasses all other brands.


Might be a dumb question but then out of interest why not ride C4 or Reo (depending freestyle or waves) instead of RPM?




I already ride slingshot and am relatively new to kiting, so it is more benificial that I have a hybrid kite over a bridled C kite
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
16 Jan 2012 9:38pm
rhinoman said...

[b]Helliquin

Something like.. LF is like Hyundai of kiting, Ozone is the porche...




then north must be a bugatti vayron,,,,


Yep they are pretty expensive aren't they.
rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
QLD, 362 posts
16 Jan 2012 11:46pm
tightlines said...

rhinoman said...

[b]Helliquin
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Something like.. LF is like Hyundai of kiting, Ozone is the porche...




then north must be a bugatti vayron,,,,


Yep they are pretty expensive aren't they.
you get what you pay for,,,superior quality..an d2 ain't cheap

Shayne86
Shayne86
WA
189 posts
WA, 189 posts
16 Jan 2012 9:47pm
This is my first year kiting and i have 2 North Fuses, a 7m and a 10m.
I spoke to the shop owner were i bought them, asked lots and lots of questions, did lots of homework, forked out the hard earned and I love these kites!

BUT the only other thing i have to compare them too is the Best Kahoona's that my instructor used. Fair enough they are both different kites and both have their good and bad points, I am still very happy with my Fuses and they suit me quite well for now. Thats not too say I dont want to try another brand in the near future, im just waiting for the skill level to increase to a point were I could ride a multitude of different makes and models and make an informed decision on my own.

IMO kites are all the same, it comes down to personal preference. I mean the Nissan GT-R is quicker around the Nurburgring than a Porche 911 Turbo but i would still have the 911 anyday of the week

thats just my 2c worth but. . . .
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
7298 posts
WA, 7298 posts
16 Jan 2012 9:48pm
Red ones are fast
Pink ones are gay
Blue and green ones are for plain and boring people
Black ones look cool to the uninitiated, but they aren't really
White ones are either never used or always dirty

Yellow ones are the go - get a yellow one (unless you work for BHP on the rail line, then you have to get an orange one - or quit and go work for Rio on the rail line).
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