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Greenfinger
Greenfinger
WA
239 posts
WA, 239 posts
13 Apr 2009 6:39pm
Hey.
Managed to put a small rip (aprox 40mm) in the leading edge of my kite a few weeks back. Had it repaired and was happy with the work, patched on the inside but not on the outside so a tear is still visable, not aproblem as long as the repair is sound and it does appear to be.
Packing it away the other day I noticed what at first I thought was some secondary damage to the leading edge seam, but on closer ispection realised it was where it had been opened up to fit the patch and do the stitching, once again no real problem.
The only concern I have is that the original seam had double stitching, but when it was closed up again it only has a single row of stitching.
Just after a second opinion wheather or not I should get another row of stitching done?
Cheers.





Greenfinger
Greenfinger
WA
239 posts
WA, 239 posts
14 Apr 2009 6:02pm
Opinion, anyone.....
NSW, 4382 posts
14 Apr 2009 8:44pm
There is no need to get the original stitching replicated.
The cloth strip sewn over the outside of the LE closure seam is completely unnecessary and is a repairers nightmare.
The brand making the kite should stop using it, they only started doing because they had problems with the LE closure seam, other brands had problems too, and this cosmetic strip of cloth was added to make this brands kite LE closure seam look stronger.

It does nothing to make the LE closure seam stronger. Hace a close look at whats that crappy strip is made from, its the hemming material used on lot of clothing, and is not a suitable material for use on kites, and especially on that part of any kite.

There is no way to repair a kite with this silly strip of cloth without unpicking it and then sewing it back the way it has been.
Repair should be fine.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

PS I'll let you or someone else name the brand I'm fairly confident I already know what it is.
Greenfinger
Greenfinger
WA
239 posts
WA, 239 posts
14 Apr 2009 6:59pm
Cheers for the reply, puts my mind at ease.
Thought it was all good but I tend to be a bit fussy at times.
airsail
airsail
QLD
1604 posts
QLD, 1604 posts
15 Apr 2009 7:32am
No need to cut the webbing when doing a repair, just unpick it and move it out the way. Do the repair as normal and sew it back on. Done a few of these with no problems. The webbing makes the repair stronger as there are plenty of extra holes in the dacron after the unpick and resew and webbing handles this well.
It is a pain in the ass to unpick though, takes ages so expect to get charged more for it.
I see more brands using this now so something repairers will have to get used to.
NSW, 4382 posts
15 Apr 2009 9:19am
Edited my post, removed the word cut and replaced it with unpicked because what I said was wrong.
However the material strip is not webbing, it is "bias binding" and is a weak type of material used for hemming fabrics that fray, it does not add any substantial strength to the LE closure seam and makes the reaprers job harder and takes more time for the repair.
I don't see more brands using it, and I sell several brands and service most others.
In the top 10 brands I can only think of one that uses it.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
16 Apr 2009 7:40pm
Greenfinger said...





Is this sh1t supposed to be a professional repair ?? ^^^
lol.
I'm guessing the kite is a BEST kite .
Am I right ?
BEST uses bias binding as a finish fabric edging material over the LE seam.
A finish fabric is not designed to be structural.
It's purely used for a quality look.
It's cosmetic.
That doesn't mean the original seam (hidden under) is not integral.
The standard design of the leading edge seam on most inflato kites is the problem.
Any tear on the main pocket requires the LE seam to be unpicked at length....
so you can get access for your sewing machine.
And when it comes to stitching the seam back together, problems arise.
Problems with integrity and problems with quality finish.
The LE seam on inflato kites needs a rethink.

SammyJ
SammyJ
WA
571 posts
WA, 571 posts
16 Apr 2009 11:46pm
Kitepower Australia said...

There is no need to get the original stitching replicated.
The cloth strip sewn over the outside of the LE closure seam is completely unnecessary and is a repairers nightmare.
The brand making the kite should stop using it, they only started doing because they had problems with the LE closure seam, other brands had problems too, and this cosmetic strip of cloth was added to make this brands kite LE closure seam look stronger.

It does nothing to make the LE closure seam stronger. Hace a close look at whats that crappy strip is made from, its the hemming material used on lot of clothing, and is not a suitable material for use on kites, and especially on that part of any kite.

There is no way to repair a kite with this silly strip of cloth without unpicking it and then sewing it back the way it has been.
Repair should be fine.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

PS I'll let you or someone else name the brand I'm fairly confident I already know what it is.


waveslave said...

Is this sh1t supposed to be a professional repair ?? ^^^
lol.
I'm guessing the kite is a BEST kite .
Am I right ?
BEST uses bias binding as a finish fabric edging material over the LE seam.
A finish fabric is not designed to be structural.
It's purely used for a quality look.
It's cosmetic.
That doesn't mean the original seam (hidden under) is not integral.
The standard design of the leading edge seam on most inflato kites is the problem.
Any tear on the main pocket requires the LE seam to be unpicked at length....
so you can get access for your sewing machine.
And when it comes to stitching the seam back together, problems arise.
Problems with integrity and problems with quality finish.
The LE seam on inflato kites needs a rethink.




^^ Did they just agree on something.or have I drank 1 to many tonight. Good indicator it's time to go to bed when shop guy and slave partially agree.
Greenfinger
Greenfinger
WA
239 posts
WA, 239 posts
17 Apr 2009 9:45pm
Yeh, Slaves replies usually confuse me as well.
Just to clarify it Slave, are you saying that the repair is not aestheticly pleasing, or not structuraly sound ???
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
17 Apr 2009 10:08pm
Greenfinger said...

Just to clarify it Slave, are you saying that the repair is not aestheticly pleasing, or not structuraly sound ???



I can't comment on the structural integrity of the repair from just a photo. ^^^
But it's obvious from the pic that the finish quality needs attention......
there's an inch gap between the frayed ends of the binding material. lol.
But my main point was this....
There needs to be a fundamental design change in the way a leading edge of a kite is fastened together to form a pocket.
A change of design that allows for simple, easy, integral repair work.

NSW, 4382 posts
18 Apr 2009 7:44am
Whats the point of me agreeing to anything waveguy says?
Wheres the fun in that?

He is talking out of a dark orifice as usual.
We don't actually know why the tape was cut, it may have been damaged in the accident that did the damage? (occured to me after my first reply)

The technique and the materials needed to make a strong and light leading edge tube are currently doing the job well, we don't hear of many top brand kites LE tubes exploding anymore.

The current system of unpicking, repairing and resewing is fine and adequate, its also very cost effective.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
18 Apr 2009 8:57am
Repair may well be structurally sound, but looks pretty poor if you ever want to re-sell the kite. There is no way my repairer would give me my kite back looking like that. I am guessing this was a very cheap repair???
Greenfinger
Greenfinger
WA
239 posts
WA, 239 posts
18 Apr 2009 7:48am


He is talking out of a dark orifice as usual.
We don't actually know why the tape was cut, it may have been damaged in the accident that did the damage? (occured to me after my first reply)




No, tape was fine before the repair, only noticed when packing kite away and immediately thought that it may hve been cut by lines draging over it, then realised that is where the seam was opened up.



Repair may well be structurally sound, but looks pretty poor if you ever want to re-sell the kite. There is no way my repairer would give me my kite back looking like that. I am guessing this was a very cheap repair???


Repair cost $35. Not sure if that is cheap or not as this is the only repair I've had done.
It was done fast though, as I really wanted the kite back asap and made this known when I dropped it off.
I am starting to think I should take it back and get it tidied up a bit.

airsail
airsail
QLD
1604 posts
QLD, 1604 posts
18 Apr 2009 10:41am
Done a few repairs in my time, $35 is far to cheap for a repair like that. Just the unpicking will take 1/2 an hour if care is taken. Add to that the materials, machinery and profit margin you got a bargain but you get what you paid for.

Expect to pay between $40-60 and hour and rush jobs can cause huge depreciation to a kites value. I have seen some good and bad repairs, some are like works of art, you can see the care and time taken. Pay the extra, be patient and you will be happy with tha outcome more times than not.

Generally the larger the repairer the closer the colour match as they have access to a larger range of colours and materials. Many sail lofts aren't interested in kite repairs because they are too fiddly and the liability factor.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
18 Apr 2009 9:35am
Kitepower Australia said...

The current system of unpicking, repairing and resewing is fine and adequate, its also very cost effective.



Next time when you are paying for a leading edge repair......
As you peel a cheque from out of it's book,
taking care to tear along the perforated line of holes where the cheque is attached to the butt.....
think about the similarity for a second.
All that resewing on the seam using straight-stitch, along the same line of the original sewing......
there's a close resemblance to your holey chequebook.
Kites aren't designed to be repaired.
Kites are designed to be disposable.

Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
18 Apr 2009 7:04pm
Greenfinger said...



He is talking out of a dark orifice as usual.
We don't actually know why the tape was cut, it may have been damaged in the accident that did the damage? (occured to me after my first reply)




No, tape was fine before the repair, only noticed when packing kite away and immediately thought that it may hve been cut by lines draging over it, then realised that is where the seam was opened up.



Repair may well be structurally sound, but looks pretty poor if you ever want to re-sell the kite. There is no way my repairer would give me my kite back looking like that. I am guessing this was a very cheap repair???


Repair cost $35. Not sure if that is cheap or not as this is the only repair I've had done.
It was done fast though, as I really wanted the kite back asap and made this known when I dropped it off.
I am starting to think I should take it back and get it tidied up a bit.





Thats a good value repair mate, you basically got what you paid for, but you may want to get it spruced up a bit if and when you re-sell.

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