Kiteboarding accident causes fatality - suicide

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ricki
ricki
WA
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WA, 49 posts
25 Jan 2006 4:26am
The following is a particularly disturbing and controversial account. It is rarely possible to confirm all details in any accident for that reason the following might best be considered to be a hypothetical event. Despite it being potentially hypothetical it is also highly plausible.


Say an experienced rider was involved in a serious lofting accident and badly injured. The accident was related to a series of poor choices, inadequate buffer distance, too large a kite and in onshore conditions.

The rider needed extensive reconstructive surgery to deal with many fractures resulting from the accident. The kiter suffered lingering physical disability through pain and loss of mobility. The rider wasn't in a position to have additional reconstructive surgery. The rider was used to being very active in a variety of sports activities.

The kiter reportedly was very depressed about loss of mobility and access to customary sports activity and apparently saw no acceptable improvement in the future. The rider committed suicide.


FKA, Inc.

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Rick Iossi
ricki
ricki
WA
49 posts
WA, 49 posts
25 Jan 2006 4:26am
Kiteboarding injuries are not that uncommon. Some accidents come with varying degrees of disability, some temporary and unfortunately some permanent. Such injuries have happened as long as there have been people to be harmed. People in action sports may be more at risk however.

There are a variety of reasons to use due care in launch, weather, gear selection and the like. We may not consider "what if" something truly bad happens in response to some poor choices. Still, these things can and will happen to a percentage of us. This account provides just one more particularly tragic reason to work to try to take care of yourself and friends while kiteboarding.

People confronted with life altering injuries have challenges that we can only guess at. Depression is a common development in such circumstances. I have frequently been impressed with the resilience of the human spirit in serious accident survivors. Despite long lists of temporary and perhaps permanent impairment and pain, they often tough it out and seek new reason for optimism and challenges. There is always hope. We just need to allow it to exist in some meaningful form.

To abandon life, friends and family in an extended period of despair solves nothing, for anyone.

A kiteboarder with a serious disabling injury once told me he was in a downward spiral of depression and mental disorientation through pain medication. A concerned friend told him that he needed to focus on what he could do and NOT what he couldn't do. The discovery of this credo was a major turning point in his recovery and helped him as he worked to heal.

FKA, Inc.

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Rick Iossi
ricki
ricki
WA
49 posts
WA, 49 posts
25 Jan 2006 4:27am
Mike, a mental health professional with extensive experience in this area and kiteboarder worked to put together the following document to help people suffering with depression and perhaps thoughts of suicide.


Depression

What is depression?

Depression is a common mental disorder that presents with depressed mood, loss of interest or pleasure, feelings of guilt or low self-worth, disturbed sleep or appetite, low energy, and poor concentration. These problems can become chronic or recurrent and lead to substantial impairments in an individual's ability to take care of his or her everyday responsibilities. At its worst, depression can lead to suicide, a tragic fatality associated with the loss of about 850,000 thousand lives worldwide every year.

Depression is the leading cause of disability as measured by YLD* (years lived with disability) and the 4th leading contributor to the global burden of disease (DALYs**) in 2000. By the year 2020, depression is projected to reach 2nd place of the ranking of DALYs calcuated for all ages, both sexes. Today, depression is already the 2nd cause of DALYs in the age category 15-44 years for both sexes combined.

" There is always hope. Depression blinds us to that fact. If we can somehow hold on to our hope, just maybe we can find a way to get through."
http://home.blarg.net/~charlatn/Depression.html***

Depression occurs in persons of all genders, ages, and backgrounds.

Signs and Symptoms of Depression
www.nimh.nih.gov/healthinformation/depressionmenu.cfm ****

?Persistent sad, anxious, or "empty" mood
?Feelings of hopelessness, pessimism
?Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, helplessness
?Loss of interest or pleasure in hobbies and activities that were once enjoyed


Facts

?Depression is common, affecting about 121 million people worldwide.
?Depression is among the leading causes of disability worldwide.
?Depression can be reliably diagnosed and treated in primary care.
?Fewer than 25 % of those affected have access to effective treatments.

Depression can be reliably diagnosed in primary care. Antidepressant medications and brief, structured forms of psychotherapy are effective for 60-80 % of those affected and can be delivered in primary care. However, fewer than 25 % of those affected (in some countries fewer than 10 %) receive such treatments. Barriers to effective care include the lack of resources, lack of trained providers, and the social stigma associated with mental disorders including depression.

Adaptive sports can provide a productive outlet for new challenges and accomplishments for disabled athletes. Physical activity has been documented to relieve depression.

More information can be found at:
www.dsusa.org/
www.northeastcenter.com/links_adaptive_sports.htm


* YLD Years Lived with Disability
** DALY Disability Adjusted Life Years
The sum of years of potential life lost due to premature
mortality and the years of productive life lost due to disability
(Source: WHO website)


Suicide

The World Health Organization estimates that in the year 2000 approximately one million people will die from suicide. A global mortality rate of 16 per 100,000. One death every 40 seconds.

The WHO further reports that:

?In the last 45 years suicide rates have increased by 60% worldwide. Suicide is now among the three leading causes of death among those aged 15-44 (both sexes). Suicide attempts are up to 20 times more frequent than completed suicides.
?Although suicide rates have traditionally been highest among elderly males, rates among young people have been increasing to such an extent that they are now the group at highest risk in a third of all countries.
?Mental disorders (particularly depression and substance abuse) are associated with more than 90% of all cases of suicide. However, suicide results from many complex sociocultural factors and is more likely to occur during periods of socioeconomic, family and individual crisis (e.g. loss of a loved one, employment, honour).
In the US, the Centers for Disease Control reports that:
?More people die from suicide than from homicide. In 1997, there were 1.5 times as many suicides as homicides.
?Overall, suicide is the eighth leading cause of death for all Americans, and is the third leading cause of death for young people aged 15-24.
?Males are four times more likely to die from suicide than are females. However, females are more likely to attempt suicide than are males.


Risk Factors
www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/suifacts.htm *****

The first step in preventing suicide is to identify and understand the risk factors. A risk factor is anything that increases the likelihood that persons will harm themselves. However, risk factors are not necessarily causes. Research has identified the following risk factors for suicide (DHHS 1999):

?Previous suicide attempt(s)
?History of mental disorders, particularly depression
?History of alcohol and substance abuse
?Family history of suicide
?Family history of child maltreatment
?Feelings of hopelessness
?Impulsive or aggressive tendencies
?Barriers to accessing mental health treatment
?Loss (relational, social, work, or financial)
?Physical illness and disability
?Easy access to lethal methods
?Unwillingness to seek help because of the stigma attached to mental health and substance abuse disorders or suicidal thoughts
?Cultural and religious beliefs-for instance, the belief that suicide is a noble resolution of a personal dilemma
?Local epidemics of suicide
?Isolation, a feeling of being cut off from other people
?Loss of mobility

How to get help

?The best place to get help for depression is your local GP/family doctor. They will be able to initially treat you and/or provide referral to another specialist.
?In emergency you can present to your local hospital emergency department.
?If you are fearful of a friend's safety because they have been verbalising intent to suicide, you can contact police to perform a welfare check or contact your local community based mental health service for further direction. These centres are usually listed in the local phone directory.
?If you have a family member or friend who is suicidal, do not leave him or her alone.
?Try to get the person to seek help immediately from an emergency room, physician, or mental health professional.
?Take seriously any comments about suicide or wishing to die. Even if you do not believe your family member or friend will actually attempt suicide, the person is clearly in distress and can benefit from your help in receiving mental health treatment.
?There are of course a myriad of websites on the net that can provide further information for those interested in researching depression and suicide. Some are listed below.



Links

Australia
www.depressionet.com.au/
www.beyondblue.org.au/
bluepages.anu.edu.au/
www.healthinsite.gov.au/topics/Suicide_Prevention
www.suicidepreventionaust.org/

USA
www.psycom.net/depression.central.sites.html
www.nimh.nih.gov/healthinformation/depressionmenu.cfm
menanddepression.nimh.nih.gov/personal.asp
www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/suifacts.htm
www.nimh.nih.gov/suicidePrevention/sui911.cfm
sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/head/a/aa060103a.htm

UK
www.depressionalliance.org/
www.clinical-depression.co.uk/
www.sane.org.uk/public_html/About_Mental_Illness/Depression.shtm


International
www.befrienders.org/
RedDragon
RedDragon
QLD
122 posts
QLD, 122 posts
25 Jan 2006 9:00am
What is this junk? this is worse than those stupid emails about some kid with cancer or that bill gates is sharing his fortune. this has nothing to do with going bigger or charging harder. dont want to get hurt, then play chess.
Rollo
Rollo
WA
26 posts
WA, 26 posts
25 Jan 2006 7:47am
possibly ban americans from posting depressing crap. especially this close to 'stralia day.
dogsbody
dogsbody
WA
34 posts
WA, 34 posts
25 Jan 2006 8:04am
Got in a late session at Wanda yesterday. Cured my depression.
DreadZepplin
DreadZepplin
NSW
53 posts
NSW, 53 posts
25 Jan 2006 11:50am
Im pretty confused about this post.....

What is the story here? Why is it that the same poster is replying to himself or herself???

Ahhh maybe they are bi-polar or something, and think they are having a conversation with someone else !!

I'm all for supporting people with mental health issues.... but agree, cant we keep the forums with helpful and entertaining content!!

NO MORE HYPOTHETICAL DOWNER POSTS ! ! ! !
Bo
Bo
WA
192 posts
Bo Bo
WA, 192 posts
25 Jan 2006 9:04am
quote:
Originally posted by RedDragon

What is this junk? this is worse than [snip]...

'Humanity cannot bear very much reality'- T.S. Eliot

Bo
milosh
milosh
35 posts
35 posts
25 Jan 2006 9:57am
in brazil, there is saying. Man with 5 donkeys wakes up in the morning to the sun. Man with 5 turtles does not wake up. But, man with donkeys and turtles has only the moon?

Do you understand?
Harves
Harves
WA
14 posts
WA, 14 posts
25 Jan 2006 10:24am
I've got turtlehead, does that count? I agree, this blokes a tool, can he be banned from the forum?
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
25 Jan 2006 12:25pm
quote:
Originally posted by milosh

in brazil, there is saying. Man with 5 donkeys wakes up in the morning to the sun. Man with 5 turtles does not wake up. But, man with donkeys and turtles has only the moon?



that's truly profound! awesome!
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
25 Jan 2006 12:32pm
quote:

I agree, this blokes a tool, can he be banned from the forum?



if you're going to sledge ricki you should maybe find out a bit more about him first. He's been documenting accidents in kiteboarding for a number of years and has probably become the single most influential and respected person in kiteboarding safety within the industry.

Also, its a public forum, he can post what he wants as long as its legal.
milosh
milosh
35 posts
35 posts
25 Jan 2006 10:34am
this depression not problem in brazil or australia, maybe american john smith is too fat and stupid to be happy? "she'll be right mate"
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
25 Jan 2006 12:35pm
you can check out the incident database run by ricki here

www.fksa.org/forumdisplay.php?f=1
ricki
ricki
WA
49 posts
WA, 49 posts
25 Jan 2006 11:02am
Sorry to bring a downer to the forum guys. No question it is that, for some of us but not all. It was put together to try to help those that might potentially be prey to this sort of depression. It might actually give them a lift up, at least I hope so.

Regarding Oz being immune to this sort of thing. I truly wish you were right but sadly you are not.

More at:
www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/[email protected]/0/a61b65ae88ebf976ca256def00724cde?OpenDocument

www.wesleymission.org.au/publications/r&d/suicide.htm

Thanks for the support Bondo, it is easy to see why this might be viewed negatively by some.

Good winds, avoid injury, work to keep a positive outlook and don't worry about this stuff. God willing that is exactly how it will work out too.

FKA, Inc.

transcribed by:
Rick Iossi
stnkygoat
stnkygoat
NSW
230 posts
NSW, 230 posts
25 Jan 2006 2:08pm
quote:
Originally posted by ricki



To abandon life, friends and family in an extended period of despair solves nothing, for anyone.


FKA, Inc.

transcribed by:
Rick Iossi



I think you got a hell of a cheek telling F^&cked up people how they should think or feel about their injuries. Everyone deals with s**t in different ways and I think that if it bums them out that much then they should reserve the right to pop their clogs. Saying it "doesn't solve anything for anyone" sounds to me like some pretty precious bible bashing bullpaki to me. And as for mental deterioration through pain killing drugs, well, messed up people can say no to them, but it just might mean that they go crazy with the pain. It's their choice and they can, and do sometimes, say no to them. Drug dependance holds many of the same issues for physically damaged people as mentally damaged people. Respect the physically damaged enough not to make specious generalisations about their situations.

Phew! Full on.

not on board
not on board
210 posts
210 posts
25 Jan 2006 11:15am
You do good work Ricki, and it is a shame that to many newbies have no idea what common saftey issues you have pioneered over the years. Everytime someone posts whingy Cr@p about "stupid things people are doing at their beach" and "how do we stop this from happening again". I know that they have not been to your site to get the answer to their questions.
I am a real mean person myself and I don't care if people hurt themselves but I do hate it when people say that there is no one promoting safe riding and they can't find anywhere on the net where they can find out basics like "right of way" and "self rescue".
People to lazy to look for anwsers are to f&&cn lazy to be kiting!
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
25 Jan 2006 11:36am
In Australia we have a saying:

On the eve of a very long weekend all talk of depression and negativity will be substituted for talk surrounding, beer, kiting, sun, women, beer, sun, women, laughs, sun, women, kiting...

Here's some happy news! I'm getting a new kite today and have 4 glorious days to play with it!

I haven';t been this excited since Dda bought me my first BMX!!
g-dog
g-dog
WA
145 posts
WA, 145 posts
25 Jan 2006 12:19pm
I know I've mentioned this twice already, but it's relevant here too.

As a recently injured kiter , who started to get a bit depressed (but not suicidal mind you) because I suddenly couldn't kite or do any of the other s**t I live for , I worked out early on what I need to do. Recognise what the pain killers are doing to my head , don't take myself seriously when I start getting depressed, and enjoy the things I'm still able to do. For me that's simply hanging out with mates and taking pictures of kiting events for the forum. I'm getting surgery at the start of Winter, so I should be good to go again next season. What I'm looking forward to the most is what great new features my new 07 kite (bow, of course) will have when I get it November/December. Rip cord inflation is at the top of my wish list.

I respect what he says. It does make sense even if it is extremely long winded, but I guess you'd have to be there to appreciate it.

Which reminds me, if you see a really cool hunky dude with yellow hair and a mako tooth necklace who won't help you launch or land your kite, just know that he would if he could.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
25 Jan 2006 1:45pm
Yeah Ricki,

Spread the anti-hype, mate.
The less strings at my local the better.
Don't need to worry about anti-hyping polesurfing,
it's a dying sport anyway.

Safe Regards,
slave
25 Jan 2006 2:42pm
quote:
Originally posted by g-dog

Which reminds me, if you see a really cool hunky dude with yellow hair and a mako tooth necklace who won't help you launch or land your kite, just know that he would if he could.




Cool dude with a kn shark tooth necklace

g-dog
g-dog
WA
145 posts
WA, 145 posts
25 Jan 2006 2:56pm
quote:
Originally posted by keithbavarianswearingbear

Cool dude with a kn shark tooth necklace





Yep, I can make that look cool
And I'll keep telling myself that too
likuid
likuid
QLD
330 posts
QLD, 330 posts
25 Jan 2006 5:48pm
Thanks rick.. i really respect all the stuff u write.. people this guy is just informing us of ways to prevent these kinds of things so give a chance and leave him
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
25 Jan 2006 7:14pm
Yeah, HEAVY thread, but hit kind of close to home.
A few days ago at one of my local kiting launches, a nice quiet headland, a guy I kind of knew, not a kiter or anything, ate the barrel of a rifle.
A few weeks earlier a really cool 19 year old local kid, depressed because his girl didn't love him, drove up a quiet bush track and stuck a tube on the exhaust pipe.
Even if its not totally kiting related, suicide is a real issue.
I don't pretend to have any answers, but let's all play nice and try to make Oz the kind of place you'd rather not quit.
Now...10-15 knot NE's for the whole long weekend! WooHoo!
brucex
brucex
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
25 Jan 2006 7:16pm
This ricki guy has been the doctor of gloom and gloom on kiteforum, maybe we should stay home and just write on forums like RIK and not go kitesurfing.....

give us a break and stay on kiteforum riki gloom.
heapsgood
heapsgood
NSW
17 posts
NSW, 17 posts
25 Jan 2006 11:37pm
Go Bigger. Charge harder.
ERNIE
ERNIE
WA
14 posts
WA, 14 posts
25 Jan 2006 9:19pm
At the end of the day it is survival of the fitest. If someone tops themselves it is because they know they are not fit enough to be among the rest of us.
Good night and good luck.
daggy
daggy
WA
528 posts
WA, 528 posts
25 Jan 2006 9:31pm
Kite forums for kite talk...
mental health/ suicide / depression forums for ...you get the message
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
25 Jan 2006 11:47pm
quote:
Originally posted by ERNIE

At the end of the day it is survival of the fitest. If someone tops themselves it is because they know they are not fit enough to be among the rest of us.
Good night and good luck.



either that or they have a serious clinical illness. duh.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
25 Jan 2006 11:50pm
i just feel embalmed by the whole issue.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
25 Jan 2006 10:35pm
Its a heavy issue for sure, however in many ways pertinant and at the same time informative. Certianly not worthy of the trashing its recieved.

I think its concerning how an unforseen event has impacted on this individual. I feel empathy towards the family, who after realising their family member has survived a major trauma suddenly dies in even more tragic circumstances.

I hope no one ever has to experience the funeral of a friend who has suicided and say to themselves, "if only so and so had spoken to me" or "wish i knew"

Depression and suicide creep up on you.....it happens.....can't be a bad thing to be armed with resources to help yourself/your mates, no matter how heavy the topic.

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