Kitesurf Ban in Belguim

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antlanglands
antlanglands
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4 Feb 2011 3:18am
ok so whos seen this , this is scarey stuff with possibly large follow on ramifacitions.
Belgium have imposed a ban on kiting in wind above 6Bft (about 25knts) and also set a exclusion zone of 200m from the shore , as a no kite area aswell.
This follows a fatal accident last summer , in Belguim , where a beginner was killed after the wind increased drasticly in a sort period of time from 15-20knts up over 25-30.
There is of coarse a knee jerk reaction from some enpassioned Belgain kiters who have started a Facebook petition ..which as you can imagine is not overly well thought out and includes statements like "This is Bull****". Heres a link to the sticky on Kiteforum.com and a threed discussing the new law :
kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2368730
Neill
Neill
VIC
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4 Feb 2011 9:47am
i can't wait to see how they intend to police this!
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
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4 Feb 2011 10:30am
seems fair considering what I see the euros getting up to here. ;-)
kiter789
kiter789
NSW
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4 Feb 2011 10:46am
Thankfully the Belgians and Dutch have a healthy disrespect for the millions of extraneous rules they are saddled with. I suspect it will end up being discretionary - only d*ckheads will get fined and the authorities have their arses covered.
Trant
Trant
NSW
601 posts
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4 Feb 2011 11:02am
It gets better :

Above a wind speed of 6 Beaufort , kitesurfing is forbidden, the situation is filled with green flags and red.

Finally, the kite surfers will be equipped with a device that allows them to quickly detach the kite by themselves. Beginners should wear a helmet and a combination in red lycra . Individuals with a certificate of competency they will be equipped with yellow .


But what if green is really my colour?
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
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4 Feb 2011 11:36am
Trant said...

It gets better :

Above a wind speed of 6 Beaufort , kitesurfing is forbidden, the situation is filled with green flags and red.

Finally, the kite surfers will be equipped with a device that allows them to quickly detach the kite by themselves. Beginners should wear a helmet and a combination in red lycra . Individuals with a certificate of competency they will be equipped with yellow .


But what if green is really my colour?



Personally I don't think its a bad idea for beginners to be obvious. If you see someone rigging a 12m in 30 knots and you can see they're a beginner (due to red lycra), you can immediately warn them before they even launch. The problem is even intermediates do stupid things (example - a girl I saw in altona who insisted on going out on a 10m in 30 knots even though she was so overpowered people had to walk her to the water and she was riding with her bar past the stopper the whole time)

The problem comes with intermediates or a certificate of competency. Many students come through training but are still not qualified to take out kites in certain conditions so the certificate of competency gives them nothing more than inflated confidence. IF you were to go this way, you'd almost need to implement a set of levels like Scuba diving to cater for specific conditions with guidelines on kite sizes for body weights. I.e. beginner 75kgs 12m kite <20 knots, intermediate 75kg 12m <25 knots, advanced 75kg 12m <30 knots with the ratings based on time on the water or number of years experience rather that ability to do specific tricks. Even if you got the system right, managing this would pose massive problems which would be a nightmare to police and still wouldn't prevent accidents occuring through panic/stupidity. I.e. looping 5m from shore or someone not pulling the QR because they don't want to damage their kite.
tatkins
tatkins
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4 Feb 2011 10:45am
This law takes into consideration most people are operating with 5 pints of Stella in their system

Plus Europeans don't have Australian police to worry about
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
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4 Feb 2011 10:46am
Yes, and they just announced a tag system that every kiter will need to have before they are allowed to go on the water too. This system has been around in many countries for years now. The same I am trying to implement here. My town planner and lawyer are on it.
Chrisoman
Chrisoman
NSW
11 posts
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4 Feb 2011 1:29pm
For those who do not agree with over regulation and paternalism in a government:

www.petitions24.com/no_kitesurfing_in_more_than_6bft_is_bull****

Quote from Leander Vyvey
&x22s;New Law in Belgium: KITESURFING FORBIDDEN IN MORE THAN 6bft.

This is a sad day for kitesurfing in Belgium, and kitesurfing around the world. FREEDOM IS THE MAGIC WORD... WE DO NOT &x28;!!!&x29; EXEPT STUPID RULES LIKE THESE.
1. People with NO knowledge deciding about our sport
2. This rule will NOT help to for more safety
3. More restricted kite zones will result in MORE crowded beached and MORE ACCIDENTS.

KITEBOARDERS, PLEASE GIVE A SIGN AND SPREAD THIS GROUP TO OTHER KITEBOARDING PARTICIPANTS !!

==> I have chosen this sport for his feeling of FREEDOM. This new law is BULL**** !!&x22s;
rumblefish
rumblefish
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4 Feb 2011 1:33pm
Stupid nanny state rules.

If someone drowns in the surf do they ban swimming at the beach in waves greater than 0.75m???
Burls
Burls
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4 Feb 2011 11:14am
Humans will be humans and we do need some level of law to keep it all under control, but this type of rule is total nanny-state where the plot has been completely lost.

I say keep the baseline laws in place, and let natural selection make our species stronger!
KnutH
KnutH
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4 Feb 2011 2:21pm

Awesome, Seabreeze was clever enough to censor &x22s;bullsh!t&x22s; &x28;without exclamation mark..&x29; in this link, so don't be surprised if it seems broken.
Don't forget to check your email to confirm the signature after signing the petition.
Saffer
Saffer
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4 Feb 2011 2:58pm
Burls said...

Humans will be humans and we do need some level of law to keep it all under control, but this type of rule is total nanny-state where the plot has been completely lost.

I say keep the baseline laws in place, and let natural selection make our species stronger!


This is one of the problems with the self regulation model proposed by most kiters - if it doesn't work &x28;it normally doesn't&x29; you get government imposed rule and you lose 70% of your rights instead of 10% if the kitesurfing industry just got off its ass and put together a proper structure like PADI has in scuba diving.

The problem with trying to get together as a group for a PADI like licensing system is:

1. Kitestore's won't support it because it means people can't just walk in and buy a kite if they are forced to get a license first &x28;bottom line before safety&x29;
2. Kiters won't support it because they are more worried about their personal freedoms than the long term impact if these bans happen.

Its just a matter of time before it happens more broadly.
au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
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4 Feb 2011 12:56pm
SurfConnect said...

Yes, and they just announced a tag system that every kiter will need to have before they are allowed to go on the water too. This system has been around in many countries for years now. The same I am trying to implement here. My town planner and lawyer are on it.


F%ck That !

Next I suppose youll be asking for cyclists to get licenses, and beach goers to carry their swimming competency certificates in case they go in the water ?
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
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4 Feb 2011 5:51pm
Saffer said...

Burls said...

Humans will be humans and we do need some level of law to keep it all under control, but this type of rule is total nanny-state where the plot has been completely lost.

I say keep the baseline laws in place, and let natural selection make our species stronger!


This is one of the problems with the self regulation model proposed by most kiters - if it doesn't work &x28;it normally doesn't&x29; you get government imposed rule and you lose 70% of your rights instead of 10% if the kitesurfing industry just got off its ass and put together a proper structure like PADI has in scuba diving.

The problem with trying to get together as a group for a PADI like licensing system is:

1. Kitestore's won't support it because it means people can't just walk in and buy a kite if they are forced to get a license first &x28;bottom line before safety&x29;
2. Kiters won't support it because they are more worried about their personal freedoms than the long term impact if these bans happen.

Its just a matter of time before it happens more broadly.


I reckon a more militant self-regulation model could include asking infringing noobs &x28;what to do with the experienced show-ponies is still a question&x29; where the feck they got their lessons and then asking if the school included full safety, right-of-way and self-rescue instruction. If they look blank and/or say no, you then - as an authoritative experienced kiter - tell them that they've been ripped off, that the school has wilfully put bucks before safety and that they should seek a refund. This may put some pressure back on schools to do the right thing rather than just rush folk through to secure the sale of the &x22s;bargain&x22s; beginner's package.

A lot of the noob stupidity in Melbourne this season seems to come from basic ignorance, and these folk have had lessons but not learned some essential basics. 4 schools at StKilda is ridiculous, and creates a race to the bottom in terms of pricing in order to snare the naive customer. If a more rigorous teaching model puts some punters off kiting and puts some schools out of viability from a business perspective then so be it.

If you're in the kiting industry because you love kiting, then think twice, because that means you'll also be under economic pressure to pump beginners through the system at a quality level that may jeopardise your beloved sport in the long run. Sure we need some schools, but an excess of competing schools is bad for everyone.
harry potter
harry potter
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4 Feb 2011 6:00pm
I have said it before and will say it again ........licence or regulate our own sport or the GOv will do it for us..........
AND WE WONT LIKE THE CONDITIONS THEY PLACE ON US. and just watch the wingers then.

This will get red thumbed by the way..... i understand the reasons why and I felt the same way a long time ago .....but given the popularity and growth of the sport it needs to happen.....





Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
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4 Feb 2011 5:21pm
SurfConnect said...

Yes, and they just announced a tag system that every kiter will need to have before they are allowed to go on the water too. This system has been around in many countries for years now. The same I am trying to implement here. My town planner and lawyer are on it.


have you consulted aksa?

what countries?

are your motives based on commercial interests?
bjw
bjw
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4 Feb 2011 6:15pm
If they ban kiting we'd be outlaws and criminals. Then kiting would no longer be considered the sport of princesses.
We'd all be cool...

Bring it on.
lotofwind
lotofwind
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4 Feb 2011 7:24pm
bjw said...

If they ban kiting we'd be outlaws and criminals. Then kiting would no longer be considered the sport of princesses.
We'd all be cool...

Bring it on.


You would have to paint your kite sky blue so it couldnt be seen,,

People on the beach would say,,"look at that wakeboarder,,he must have a motor built into his board."
bjw
bjw
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4 Feb 2011 6:33pm
If we wear a black wetsuit and flouro boardshorts over the top then they will know just what we are.
terminal
terminal
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1421 posts
4 Feb 2011 6:58pm
No kiting within 200m of the shore?

Dont they realise 99% of kiting is within 200m of the shore?
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
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4 Feb 2011 10:42pm
terminal said...

No kiting within 200m of the shore?

Dont they realise 99% of kiting is within 200m of the shore?


yes they do hence the 200 m ban. foocen fun police nanny state wallies.What I wanna know is when every baby born in Belgium is gonna get a lifetimes supply of cotton wool
Baz
Baz
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205 posts
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4 Feb 2011 11:07pm
Sucks to be Belgian.
Haircut
Haircut
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4 Feb 2011 11:18pm
i'm told the belgian beach is barely all of 60 km
wishy
wishy
WA
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4 Feb 2011 10:29pm
I'm confused, how does a kite have the strength to hold together when it's made entirely from chocolate?
buzingfridge
buzingfridge
WA
147 posts
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4 Feb 2011 10:49pm
wishy said...

I'm confused, how does a kite have the strength to hold together when it's made entirely from chocolate?


thats freaking funny....

I feel sorry for wonka ....... Its going to cost im a fortune in fudge !!!!
bjw
bjw
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5 Feb 2011 7:42am
Silly fudge packers
mofo
mofo
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5 Feb 2011 7:31pm
SurfConnect said...

Yes, and they just announced a tag system that every kiter will need to have before they are allowed to go on the water too. This system has been around in many countries for years now. The same I am trying to implement here. My town planner and lawyer are on it.


Good luck there,,,
mofo
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5 Feb 2011 7:34pm
laurie
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5 Feb 2011 11:41pm
Has anybody found any actual official mention of it - I've found petitions, facebooks, twitters, forum topics, etc .. but no actual public statement anywhere on the interweb as yet?

I did find that [url="www.belgium.be/en/news/2011/news_cnn_says_belgians_are_world_s_11th_coolest_nationality.jsp?referer=tcm:115-115883-64
"]CNN reckon belgium is the 11 coolest capital in the world..
Lazarus
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6 Feb 2011 3:59am
How do you get 200 m offshore?
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