One other thing too there is a heap of sea weed stuff in the water at the moment and being a beginner I crash my kite from time to time. As soon as it hits your lines its a pain in the arse to get it sorted. Usually weighs the kite down so you have to land it where it is and then its gets all through your lines and spend 2 hours sorting it out. Pisses me right off.

Hey joe where are the main spots they go when the tide is out, besides east point? and also for the northerly wind?