Kiting fatality in Seth Ifrica

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nebbian
nebbian
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20 Oct 2006 5:35am
Just came across this:

http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2333129&sid=3d3cbe65baeb70356675085b223ff5c4

Be careful all you learner kiters! It happens in the blink of an eye.

[Edit: changed location. Never was much good at geography ]
echostorm
echostorm
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20 Oct 2006 7:59am
In the surf KNOW YOUR SAFETY RELEASES!!!!! Before I go out EVERYTIME I do three checks to see how quick I can get to my safety. You must do this 6000 times before it becomes a reflex.
ianyoung
ianyoung
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20 Oct 2006 7:51am
When was the last time you pulled your QR?
It should be practised:
  • with at least 1G load (ie hanging from it)
  • with slack lines
  • with your eyes closed
  • in less than 0.5 sec

If you don't do it regularly then it will never become instinctive.
If it's not instinctive then you might as well not have a QR
sunseeker
sunseeker
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20 Oct 2006 12:48pm
What a terrible thing - we never think that our sport can result in death until it happens again.
Macassar Beach is in False Bay in South Africa - not Europe.
Sounds like the kite went into a looping spiral which I've seen happen a few times.
silviu
silviu
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21 Oct 2006 5:00pm
quote:
Originally posted by ianyoung

When was the last time you pulled your QR?
It should be practised:
  • with at least 1G load (ie hanging from it)
  • with slack lines
  • with your eyes closed
  • in less than 0.5 sec

If you don't do it regularly then it will never become instinctive.
If it's not instinctive then you might as well not have a QR



Halleluia Brother!
Finally someone singing the same song with me!
What a pitty that too many don't want to listen.
James
James
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21 Oct 2006 4:29pm
Given the content of the initial post, I think the attempted humour in the title might be a tad inappropriate. J
kitecrazzzy
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21 Oct 2006 7:32pm
first time using the board (self teaching after initial lesson) i did the jump on the board and dive the kite as everyone i had been watching had done-i was dragged upside down face covered in weed going for the beach (peli), 10m into the drag i pulled the QR, this after doing it once on the beach in a lesson.
its better to keep your cool in a bad situation than just instinctively go forthe QR-at woodies when the "stupid eruo" went though my lines qr would have been worse than quik actions. except he then showed why he deserved the idiot of the day award.
im on a ramble-qr isnt he magic life saver you would hope it is.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
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21 Oct 2006 11:35pm
Whilst quick releases are vital for your chicken loop I really think they mainly have their place for begginers. I always tell begginers that the quick release is their and they can let go to complete safety BUT I also tell them that by flying the kite at all times even whilst being dragged under water is by far a better option. Lets face it, It would have to be pretty freakin windy for you to have a kiting accident if you didn't do anything stupid with your kite.

When someone is in trouble they have two options, quick release or fly the kite. In a panic situation no one would be controlling the kite when they were looking for the QR. They take their hands off the bar, eyes off the kite and try and ditch the kite. If they kept their hands on the bar and concentrated on the kite they could control it to stop them getting dragged.

In essence I'm with kite crazy, know your QR but concentrate on that kite. Also that stuff echostorm is saying aout checking your QR three times each session sounds like over kill to me, what happened to rigging up and just going out to have fun. Having a routine like that makes kiting sound like a chore or a drill.
carbine
carbine
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21 Oct 2006 10:09pm
If u let go of the bar the kite should fly in a straight line until it either hits the water or gets to the edge of the window.

often when a noob trys to control the kite they make it worse
gruezi
gruezi
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21 Oct 2006 10:12pm
What both kitecrazy and spacey are saying makes a heap of sense.

You must keep your cool and know how to fly a kite..........duh, and those skills come with practice. So folks, if you want to kite safe, practice and more practice. There will always be close calls, learn from them and hopefully we can all stay around a little longer.

Random deaths happen every friggen day.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
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21 Oct 2006 11:51pm
quote:
Originally posted by carbine

If u let go of the bar the kite should fly in a straight line until it either hits the water or gets to the edge of the window.

often when a noob trys to control the kite they make it worse



Whilst you are correct, often the straight in a line might be into some people, into someone elses line or dragging you downwind into something. Kooking out and going for the QR every time something goes a little bit pear shape is not learning, if it is possible to try and control the kite or regain control I would advise to do it as you learn how to stay calm even whilst being dragged back wards and you cant see the kite. As soon as the person starts trying to control the reason for their drag they will improve thier kite skills and be less likely to get into the intial drag in the first place.
user
user
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22 Oct 2006 6:51am
Just use a Bow and let go of the bar.
andrewm
andrewm
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22 Oct 2006 7:38am
you cant control the wind, or equipment failures. saying "well just learn better kite control" is all well and good but eventually I think you will find **** happens and your never as good as you think.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
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22 Oct 2006 11:27am
quote:
Originally posted by user

Just use a Bow and let go of the bar.



Yeah thats a great idea, and let it smash into people, kiters, powerlines, dunes etc....
user
user
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22 Oct 2006 11:29am
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

quote:
Originally posted by user

Just use a Bow and let go of the bar.



Yeah thats a great idea, and let it smash into people, kiters, powerlines, dunes etc....



You have had a lot to say,but are surprisingly ignorant of the Bow system.

If you let go of the bar,the kite is still connected by the chicken loop,but depowered.

If you actvate the quick release on the loop,the kite is flagged to one line on the safety leash.

Go check it out,and then you will be qualified to offer your opinions on Bows.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
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22 Oct 2006 1:24pm
User before calling me ignorant about bows perhaps try and understand what I am refering to initially. It may depower but it will still continue to fly in the path it was heading in. It will still hit what it was aiming for. Surely it would be a better option if your on a bow to depower a bit and steer the kite away from danger and try and control the situation rather than just opting for the quick release and forget about the kite. Same goes for bows and C's. You learn nothing from going to QR every time your in a bit of trouble, most situations you are able to save yourself if you keep your cool and concentrate on the kite.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
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22 Oct 2006 1:30pm
and its such a fag to put back together. the best bit about he qr is if ya do it at the right time you can knock yourself out-now that's "extreme"
man am i bad at getting my point across.
the ***** option that will one day kill some one is to pull the qr just because you dont want a bit of a spanking when you stuff it. you lose control of the kite and create a hazard. (of coarse I'm talking about using the qr when there is water downwind)
i duno much about bows but to expect them to save your arse automatically when you get in trouble is possibly the most reckless thing you can do. you are in control, the kite is trying to kill you-remember that when you push let the bar go and have faith in an unpredictable piece of nylon.
i have seen people get spanked by their kite (bows and C's) when the **** hits the fan its you in control and your option on what to do
guy77
guy77
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33 posts
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24 Oct 2006 4:32pm
quote:
Originally posted by echostorm

In the surf KNOW YOUR SAFETY RELEASES!!!!! Before I go out EVERYTIME I do three checks to see how quick I can get to my safety. You must do this 6000 times before it becomes a reflex.


Pulling your safety will not always work. I once had a back line wrap around my wrist on the other side of the bar and the kite powered up. Result was a looping kite with no quick release dragging me along by my arm. Fortunately I was far enough offshore to ride straight downwind, which eased the pressure on the lines enough for me to get my wrist out of there. Scarey moment though. Plus I had welts on my wrist for a week or two.

I always do my tricks with plenty of space downwind now. Of course that means I'm in deeper water with all the sharkies
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