learning to self launch and especially self land is a key requisite of safe kiting. It is and will always be safer to get an assisted land form another competent kiter, but that will not always be possible, todays bows and hybrids seem to almost launch themselves and in some cases do. As usual this topic has gone way off track with the usual character assasination and retorts....pathetic....

One of the biggest issues I have observed is that with all these "safe kites" around, too many people are teaching themselves or being taught by beginners/ intermediate kiters who fail to master key competencies.
This sort of crap happend twice in a half an hour www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=7241
kitecrazzy, mabe at kitestock instead of the usual beginner lessons being offered mabe WAKSA could organize a self launch/self land/self rescue clinic, or other areas of kiting that is often overlooked..

unclechops said...


if i can L&L in 30knts no problem anyone can do it

I'm sorry mate but that is still just dangerous! Even if YOU can do it perfectly finie, doesn't mean something could snap or such. Sometimes just easier to have a mate catch you imho.

unclechops said...


its p#%sing me off more every day that i 'am asked 3-5 times before i get my own gear rigged for a launch and same after i have finished .when all you want to do is sit down and share a few beers with your mates .
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be prepared to hear NNNNOOOOO alot more on a beach right near you this summer.

Ok I will give u that about sitting back and relaxing with a beer after a kite, but cmon, what it takes u 20sec if even that to hand a kite flip it over and walk back! Not much time to be honest.
People are always in such a constant rush these days with everything and so uptight. Who cares if you have to do that a couple of times! Sometimes its just easier to say sure, Ill help!

Each to their own I suppose.

the drag on your reel must be smoking by now unclechops. how much line do you have left?

Hey guys,

I'm finding Waveslaves sensible and helpful posts rather disturbing. I must be in an alternative parallel universe.

I kinda miss the snide remarks, the sarcastic sniping, the strange poetic phrasing and what the hell happened to the LOL's ???

Good winds,

I have to L&L myself too. Noone wants to ride with Bazza, the drop knee style is too much for stand up zoobas. Maybe I could hook up with the Chopster and we could have a race in L&L. Don't know where the term L&L came from but I Love & Like it.