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Created by Surfer62 22 days ago, 4 May 2019
Surfer62
VIC, 1246 posts
4 May 2019 7:44AM
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Watched Rubens latest YouTube vid 're the injury, not 100 % sold his safety released mid kite loop just being brushed by his hand, breezers thoughts ?

Time 1.28 mins into vid

froghoppa
NSW, 12 posts
4 May 2019 8:03AM
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After watching that many times I can see there has been no hiting of the release but a slight contact with his hand causing the failure. In my mind it should require a concerted effort from the user to get the release to work not a light touch. "That is a unsafe system"!!

Gateman
QLD, 261 posts
4 May 2019 8:24AM
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One of the friends I kite with regularly has her chicken loop release accidentally between one and three times every session. I've told her that is not normal but hadn't thought of the implications if it happened during a jump. Luckily she is not jumping yet ......

Gazuki
WA, 900 posts
4 May 2019 7:21AM
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Ive criticised the core safety in the past, after watching that I'm quite happy with it.

eppo
WA, 6976 posts
4 May 2019 7:22AM
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Maybe ?





MrFreeze
232 posts
4 May 2019 7:22AM
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Hmmmmm, clubbies aren't a patch on the Aussies. No green whistle. WTF!

Old mate is in excruciating pain and the punter in the background, with the high vis on is reading the form guide. Amateurs!

BTW How goes it El capitano???

Gazuki
WA, 900 posts
4 May 2019 7:28AM
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How spewing would the boss of Ozone be, paid huge$$$ to get the biggest rider to show case you product and ended up showing the world it's failure.
Surprised Ozone allowed the release of the video.

Surfer62
VIC, 1246 posts
4 May 2019 9:51AM
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By the way, I use my ozone bars ( last 3 versions except latest ) with 3 different brand kites, never had this happen.

Looks like it wasn't quite locked in, I doubt it was his hand, Ozone release usually takes a bit of force to release it.

Mrexport
WA, 19 posts
4 May 2019 8:06AM
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I just watched this vid this morning and saw the release point and thought I better check my bar as Iam using the click in style chicken loop, so I ran out my lines and tethered them and and put my harness on and tensioned the lines and I was surprised at how little it took to activate the safety I couldn't quite get it to go with my thumb but maybe len10 has super thumbs or something. I though I would try it back to back with the older style chicken loop and it took quite a bit more effort to activate ( maybe due to a season on salt and sand ) .
After the test Iam still happy to use I think it was probly a freak accident over poor design

cbulota
WA, 1207 posts
4 May 2019 8:56AM
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Agreed with Mrexport, It's easy to blame the gear when in fact it's simply just bad luck. Here is an accident involving the Core system:



A bit off topic but I recently heard from the BKSA that Core will eventually change their system to a standard push away to match industry standards. It makes sense as it's the only brand that does it differently. Similar changes happened to brands reluctant to change their safety system from dual to single front line flagging system.

Quick releases are designed to be released quickly and easily. Accidents happen and quick releases get accidentally released many times every season with our students regardless of the brand being used!

We should be far more worried about a chicken loop that is too hard / difficult / slow to release instead of one that releases too easily.

When you are at the level of Ruben and kite 200+ days a year you are far more likely to get injured, in fact you have accept that it will probably happen at some point.

Christian

shano82
WA, 70 posts
4 May 2019 9:03AM
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cbulota said..
A bit off topic but I recently heard from the BKSA that Core will eventually change their system to a standard push away to match industry standards. It makes sense as it's the only brand that does it differently. Similar changes happened to brands reluctant to change their safety system from dual to single front line flagging system.


Have also heard this recently - explanation given was the increasing popularity of rope sliders on harnesses now that a number of brnads have them, and the fact that the twist mechanism would result in twisting of the rope first, making it a LOT more difficult to release.

2stubborn2quit
WA, 107 posts
4 May 2019 11:03AM
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Surfer62 said..
By the way, I use my ozone bars ( last 3 versions except latest ) with 3 different brand kites, never had this happen.

Looks like it wasn't quite locked in, I doubt it was his hand, Ozone release usually takes a bit of force to release it.


I have had a similar experience to GATEMAN. A friend has a ozone bar that releases accidentally all the time. At least twice per session. It is an older bar but I have checked it over myself and I cant really see why!

Kamikuza
QLD, 3864 posts
4 May 2019 2:04PM
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2stubborn2quit said..

Surfer62 said..
By the way, I use my ozone bars ( last 3 versions except latest ) with 3 different brand kites, never had this happen.

Looks like it wasn't quite locked in, I doubt it was his hand, Ozone release usually takes a bit of force to release it.



I have had a similar experience to GATEMAN. A friend has a ozone bar that releases accidentally all the time. At least twice per session. It is an older bar but I have checked it over myself and I cant really see why!


IIRC the tab that holds it from releasing is very short, like 10mm or something. The QR doesn't have to be pulled that far to get it to release, which is what I see in that video -- the QR doesn't actually travel very far before it releases.

Might be "safer" to have a short throw... But then again maybe not

FormulaNova
NSW, 8643 posts
4 May 2019 6:07PM
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If you slow youtube playback speed to 0.25 you can get a real good look at it.

My opinion is that he doesn't brush it with his hand, it might be against his hand, but surely that doesn't trigger it.

It looks like it starts moving while his hand stays in the same place. You would think if he pushed it, his hand would be moving at the same speed as the release, but it looks like his hand is staying still.

I have the previous model Ozone release so I can't test it, but from looking at the video, is there someway that it wasn't secured properly and lets it release without pressure?

Sandfoot
VIC, 332 posts
4 May 2019 6:22PM
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2stubborn2quit said..



Surfer62 said..
By the way, I use my ozone bars ( last 3 versions except latest ) with 3 different brand kites, never had this happen.

Looks like it wasn't quite locked in, I doubt it was his hand, Ozone release usually takes a bit of force to release it.





I have had a similar experience to GATEMAN. A friend has a ozone bar that releases accidentally all the time. At least twice per session. It is an older bar but I have checked it over myself and I cant really see why!





This could happen with any quick release system, Ruben's fishpoled a loop, his bar is flat against the front line, as the kite loads his back hand triggered the QR....

so now gateman and 2stubborn to quit start bagging Ozone - what d@#kheads.

If you've got a quick release that's randomingly triggering most likely its out of spec, contact the manufacturer.

eppo
WA, 6976 posts
4 May 2019 4:39PM
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Yeh I was going to make the point of the fish poling ... I don't think we can generalise that there is a flaw in the system on this incident. But it is worth investigating.

lotofwind
NSW, 5040 posts
4 May 2019 8:43PM
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Ozone caused so many problems of late.
First it gets a hole in it and we get skin cancer, now the ozone is breaking legs.

cauncy
WA, 7153 posts
4 May 2019 6:44PM
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All the queers demanded an ozone push away system to keep in line with other manufacturers and standards
its kiting ffs , every time you go out there's a risk, same as riding a bike, motorbike , mtb,
whoooo the bloke broke his ankle, he's cheated death before so a hobble in the park

Kamikuza
QLD, 3864 posts
4 May 2019 9:11PM
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Kamikuza said..
IIRC the tab that holds it from releasing is very short, like 10mm or something. The QR doesn't have to be pulled that far to get it to release, which is what I see in that video -- the QR doesn't actually travel very far before it releases.

Might be "safer" to have a short throw... But then again maybe not


Nah that's completely wrong ... that was an older one.

If you slow the video right down, you can see when he fish poles the bar that the lip on the top of the red hat is hard against the top of his thumb knuckle. As the kite goes through the down part of the loop, the chicken loop goes down and into his thumb, and the QR pulls itself on his knuckle.

Some bad luck there.

Kamikuza
QLD, 3864 posts
4 May 2019 9:13PM
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cauncy said..
All the queers demanded an ozone push away system to keep in line with other manufacturers and standards
its kiting ffs , every time you go out there's a risk, same as riding a bike, motorbike , mtb,
whoooo the bloke broke his ankle, he's cheated death before so a hobble in the park


My problem with side-pull QR is I always forget to let go, so the kite releases perfect but I'm left holding the red hat and a shredded bungy cord.

Psychiatra
NSW, 2 posts
4 May 2019 9:13PM
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Holy ****...scary

cauncy
WA, 7153 posts
4 May 2019 7:34PM
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Psychiatra said..
Holy ****...scary


You need to live a little bit more

Underoath
QLD, 2334 posts
4 May 2019 10:03PM
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is Len10 trying to achieve by pulling on his safety while hes crashing?

Peahi
VIC, 1063 posts
4 May 2019 10:42PM
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A local guy just got an ozone, He was hooked in preparing to launch, and just for fun I hit (just gently) his red release thing and it released!! I told him about the vid, of course being 18m in the air with boots is a different scenario, but it does seem to release a bit too easily.

Kamikuza
QLD, 3864 posts
4 May 2019 10:46PM
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is Len10 trying to achieve by pulling on his safety while hes crashing?


Popped up elsewhere -- if he had rigged proper suicide, it might have cushioned his landing...

Gateman
QLD, 261 posts
5 May 2019 12:16AM
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Sandfoot said..

2stubborn2quit said..




Surfer62 said..
By the way, I use my ozone bars ( last 3 versions except latest ) with 3 different brand kites, never had this happen.

Looks like it wasn't quite locked in, I doubt it was his hand, Ozone release usually takes a bit of force to release it.






I have had a similar experience to GATEMAN. A friend has a ozone bar that releases accidentally all the time. At least twice per session. It is an older bar but I have checked it over myself and I cant really see why!






This could happen with any quick release system, Ruben's fishpoled a loop, his bar is flat against the front line, as the kite loads his back hand triggered the QR....

so now gateman and 2stubborn to quit start bagging Ozone - what d@#kheads.

If you've got a quick release that's randomingly triggering most likely its out of spec, contact the manufacturer.


Hey Sandfoot, I never bagged Ozone, I didn't mention what brand my friend rides and for the record: it's definitely NOT Ozone. I just said her quick release comes undone at least once every session and sometimes 3 times. In my opinion that's not normal and definitely not safe, especially if you're boosting.

THE PIN PULLER
WA, 288 posts
4 May 2019 11:02PM
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Lol who even gets an ambo for a foot injury least he's ok, wish him a speedy recovery what a ledgend of a human being!

drsurf
NSW, 32 posts
5 May 2019 2:11AM
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THE PIN PULLER said..
Lol who even gets an ambo for a foot injury least he's ok, wish him a speedy recovery what a ledgend of a human being!


I guess someone who doesn't want to lose their foot. When the damage to a major blood vessel causes the foot to loses sufficient blood supply, the tissue in the foot will die. Foot is then removed to stop the infection from the dead meat spreading up the leg and further if nothing is done in time.
Unless you're a paramedic etc I wouldn't be making medical decisions on whether to bother with an ambo or not.

THE PIN PULLER
WA, 288 posts
5 May 2019 7:28AM
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I drove home after a snap almost 200kms so in jest I Was just taking the piss for amusement of me mates cool your jets there, Far out loss of a foot for broken ankle sounds a little bit bizarre, but I suppose in your line of work you see it all.

AlbanWave
13 posts
5 May 2019 3:57PM
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Nice post-production work with all the story-telling in drama mode !

i am surprised Ozone let the guy spreading all over the world a story emphasizing an equipment failure (that's the story promoted)
Now all the community is debating and questioning their QR reliability

Especially connecting the 2 footages from the crash and the go-pro QR release that were shot at different time ... so it means that it happens to the guy more than once

doonut
WA, 215 posts
5 May 2019 4:15PM
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I've managed to accidentally release the safety on my razor a few times lucky not mid jump.
It only requires the right brush of the hand in the right conditions and it will let go. Strangely it's not consistent though.



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