ABC 720 talkback radio today at 10:00am.
Mayor of Joondalup - Troy Pickard and WAKSA president & possibly others? will be online to discuss the Mullaloo kiting issue.

poor relative said...

That mayor was beautiful, ignored questions and spoke to his own agenda. Very noice

Thats what you gotta do I reckon. Wish I had been that skillful. Didnt get to say anything I wanted too

But the mayor is beautiful . His (and Joondalup councils) attitude of consultation before decision making is an awesome approach (best we can hope for anyhow). Whatever the outcome at least we can be sure they will make decisions based on an understanding of all the facts.

Anyone got a link of the conversation. Would love to have a listen.

Mayor very open. Wants to see an outcome which satisfies everyone. If thats possible?
Most definitely not anti kiting.
This mornings segment will be on podcast soon. I think the WAKSA mailout this morning posted a link.

puppetonastring said...
Whatever the outcome at least we can be sure they will make decisions based on an understanding of all the facts.

I listened to the radio today.
What I heard was something that I hadn't read on the forum concerning the problem at Mullaloo.
A caller was complaining about the strings of a rogue kite cutting up his young girl.
"Blood on the hands of the Mayor", he quoted.
Obviously this fellow has an axe to grind, he hates kites for a good reason.
So tell me Mr President;
How is your WAKSA insurance going to maintain beach access now?
Liability insurance is not about protecting innocent beachgoers......
It's about protecting your personal assets.

waveslave said...
So tell me Mr President;
How is your WAKSA insurance going to maintain beach access now?
Liability insurance is not about protecting innocent beachgoers......
It's about protecting your personal assets.

Heres how it works slave ...
1) it maintains beach access by indemnifying councils (& others) from possible cross litigation. The powers that be wont listen to ANYTHING while there is any chance that its their rrse on the line. Absolute No.1 priority before any access protecting will work.

2) OK. Im an innocent beachgoer taking Rover for his daily stroll. I glance at your board lying there on the sand in front of me. Obviously a twintip right? But then when I go to step over it I trip on one of those great sticky out fins you put in the middle of your board and break my neck . Quad paralysed for life in a wheel chair. That sucks. But your huge shark fin is an after market mod which leaves you way out there; way liable. A sinch of a case to win.
But Id be a much happier playing wheely basketball with $10M covering my expenses than just your house & car and then a measly share of your wages (& then your pension) every week.
Im sure even you too would be at least a little bit happier inside knowing that, even though you have wrecked my life, at least you were responsible enough to have provided some significant compensation.

3) and yup its also definitely about protecting your assets. Im sure you would be much happier seeing all my medical & living expenses (and kids school fees etc etc etc) comfortably covered for life than having me restricted to just what I can get for your house & car & kite gear and then an ongoing share of your income - forever.

Pretty good value for everyone really at just $65 a year - inc a free bbq when you come along and watch kitejam (nb. thats less than the cost of one of those fins that caused the problem in the first place)

PM me ur address slave & I'll send you out a rego form

was slave the old balding cat lover at the council meeting???????????????

the walks said...

was slave the old balding cat lover at the council meeting???????????????

LOL - there may have been a few similiarities there

but steady on Tony - dont start in on the cat lovers now
.... or the old & balding either for that matter

yes slave is old and bald and short and the crappest kiter on this side of the country to bad he cant get his head out of his ass to see that......
and who knows wat he gets up too with cats

seriously though stop trying to rip those who r only there to help out.....

Woe, look, i don't know what has happened in the past but this is all getting silly(playground stuff). Sticks & stones is one thing, there's far more important things on the horizon, as someone who loves the sport, in the present climate i think we should all be positive TOGETHER.........

The bottom line is this.

The time will more than likely come where it will be law that all kiters will be required to have some sort of public liability insurance in order to kite surf on the busier/popular beaches. Kiters who currently think that WAKSA registration is a waste of money will have fun calling around the insurance companies trying to find an insurance premium costing less than $5.42 per month yet covering $10mil

I guess then they will come crawling to WAKSA cap in hand.

Why not just do the right thing now - pay the $65 and increase the statistics of people who are self-regulating by covering themselves with insurance and increase the growing number of sensible kiters who recognize that giving a little and showing willing to councils, surf clubs and the general public alike that we are not a bunch of morons with no regard for anything but ourselves and that in fact we respect others beach users enough to insure against the very rare and unfortunate accident.

Lemm

waveslave said...

From the very beginning,
WAKSA created the fear in the minds of the local authorities by pimping liability insurance relentlessly.....

I'm not against kiters having liability insurance per se.
It's up to the individual if he wants to purchase cover.
It's not mandatory to have insurance in order to kite.
You are free to make a choice, you can kite insured or non-insured.
What I object to is WAKSA's incessant pimping of their brand of insurance,
using fear and loathing as their patented marketing tactic,
with the empty promise that public beaches will stay open to kitesurfing if you buy their policy.
They are selling false hope.
There is no guarantee that there will ever be permanent kiting access to public beaches.....
even if every kiter had insurance cover.
When the kiting population reaches an intolerable level on public beaches, kitesurfing will be closed down......
regardless of WAKSA and it's brand of insurance cover.

waveslave said...
I'm not against kiters having liability insurance per se.
It's up to the individual if he wants to purchase cover.

Do you have any public liability insurance and if not why not and how are you able to guarantee that in the course of kitesurfing activities that you will never have an unfortunate accident resulting in the harm of another beach user?

waveslave said...
It's not mandatory to have insurance in order to kite.
You are free to make a choice, you can kite insured or non-insured.

At the moment it is not mandatory on all beaches however it is clear that in the examples of Cottesloe (Perth, WA) and SA you now need to be a member of the local state organisation in order that you have relevant insurance cover. The more people who choose not to self-regulate and obtain this insurance (through AKSA or personally) the more likely the scenario that all beaches in Australia will require this.

waveslave said...
What I object to is WAKSA's incessant pimping of their brand of insurance,
using fear and loathing as their patented marketing tactic,
with the empty promise that public beaches will stay open to kitesurfing if you buy their policy.
They are selling false hope.
There is no guarantee that there will ever be permanent kiting access to public beaches.....
even if every kiter had insurance cover.

I have never seen a comment, quote or publicized material from WAKSA/AKSA indicating that by joining they will promise to keep public beaches open to kitesurfing. AKSA/WAKSA operate in order to represent kitesurfers in any disputes etc. They could never guarantee anything and to expect such a thing is frankly ridiculous.

waveslave said...
When the kiting population reaches an intolerable level on public beaches, kitesurfing will be closed down......
regardless of WAKSA and it's brand of insurance cover.

Maybe, maybe not, but one thing is for sure - if the majority of kiters have the same lame arsed pathetic opinions to self regulation and care for other beach users that you do, then this scenario will come around a hell of a lot quicker.

Ask yourself - would you pay for a $65 'season ticket' to be able to kite on your local beach for the next year. If the answer is yes then join AKSA/WAKSA and get behind them (and other local user groups) in trying to prevent kitesurfing from being banned and enjoy using your local beach in the process.


Come on guys ffs this really isn't rocket science. Do the right thing ffs!

Lemm

This thread makes me sad, but I'm over it. I would have to agree with you Slave on your last comment; if in fact WAKSA does say that kite surfing is a dangerous sport. Where in their literature do they say this?

Kite surfing is not dangerous...people are!

waveslave said...

1)... Why does WAKSA present kitesurfing as a dangerous activity ?
2)... Do the statistics suggest that it is ?
3)... I don't believe they do.
4)... There's no real evidence.
5)... WAKSA needs to back-off with the fear and loathing campaign.

1) Slave you are so far off the ball you are not even on the field.
No-one ever (except you) has ever even mentioned this fantasy theory of yours about WAKSA presenting kitesurfing as dangerous. Its a staggering concept considering that what we are all about convincing everyone out there how well we can fit into their world - without becoming a danger.

2) No. The statistics definitely do not suggest that it is dangerous. Quite the contrary
FACT - WAKSAs single strongest argument; and the one most used, most often; is that in offering kiters public liability insurance throughout the whole of Australia for the past 10 years there has not been one claim pursued due to an incident involving an injury of any sort.

3) And you are right they dont. I dont know why everyone seems to think that you are wrong all the time? Here is another example of you being quite informed, accurate and even lucid.

4) You're right again. There is no evidence. Correct twice in a row. People shouldnt pick on you so.

5) DOH there you go - off with the fairies again - I knew it couldnt last
The only fear and loathing we deal with at WAKSA is that which comes at us from an extreme minority of fun police out there who 'perceive' us as a danger. Thank god we have organisations & people like Joondalup Council/lors who insist on looking at the bigger picture before taking our sport away from us.

If there is any evidence of fear & loathing coming from WAKSA as a part of any of our 'campaigns' you can be sure the forces of darkness will root it out and throw it in our faces in their Mullaloo submission. I bet they cant find a thing.
And neither could you!
It must be those damn voices.