My body won't drag upwind!

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Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
7 Mar 2005 8:48pm
Ok, I've had lessons but it's not that easy to hear the instructor with 20 gallons of water rushing through my ears.

I can drag myself to a point of not going upwind or downwind, but if I stick my arm out straight upwind and keep me legs stiff like a board (as I was told), I just end up being a huge anchor. It's like the water is hitting me straight on the chest.

Any hints or good technique of how to body drag upwind?

I'd really appreciate your comments (appart from 'get lessons')

Cheers.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
7 Mar 2005 6:48pm
G'Day Monkeykiter,

The upwind drag can be easier if your instructor is using a radio headset so you CAN hear when there is 20 Gallos of water over your head. The upwind drag is also almost good enough if you can hold your ground, because the board will blow down to you, however if you are body dragging upwind to come in at a beach before rocks or something, then try this.

The most common reason for getting the results you are getting is that your body is :-

a/ Straight in the legs and straight arm, but bent at the waist.
b/ you are trying to force yourself up to high into the wind. Aim lower.
c/ your kite is too high, causing you to be pulled more downwind than forward.
d/ your body is not on edge, ie your trying to go upwind chest first.

Have a go at these simple adjustments and see if it helps.

Best winds,

Darren Marshall
Australian Kiteboarding School
NSW, 4382 posts
8 Mar 2005 8:20am
When you have tried to bodydrag, what size kite were you using?
How windy do you think it was?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
8 Mar 2005 11:12am
17knts 10m high aspect


Thanks guys.
andyc
andyc
WA
202 posts
WA, 202 posts
8 Mar 2005 9:22am
i like doing frog kicks as well. if you're not really powered up, or there is a lull where you don't seem to being pulled at all, do like a frog kick or side stroke directly upwind. It's like quickly swimming upwind while the kite isn't looking.

Also when you've finished one run and you're about to go the other way, make sure you bring the kite over as gently as possible and don't get pulled out of the water. Offer heaps of resistance during the process, like more frog kicks, if you've got the energy!
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
8 Mar 2005 12:48pm
oh ok that makes sense. However when i cant see my board i need to go up in the air to find it.

Should I be doing sine patterns with the kite or just keep it really low and fully powered up?

Q. If the beach faces East and the wind is a North easter, is it right that i am going upwind when im travel West (ie: back into the beach) So in this instance can i only body drag heading West?)
kitesuffer
kitesuffer
NSW
148 posts
NSW, 148 posts
8 Mar 2005 3:59pm
quote:
Originally posted by Monkeykiter

Should I be doing sine patterns with the kite or just keep it really low and fully powered up?



No. Park it at 45 degrees

quote:
Originally posted by Monkeykiter



Q. If the beach faces East and the wind is a North easter, is it right that i am going upwind when im travel West (ie: back into the beach) So in this instance can i only body drag heading West?)



Dude, forget about where the beach is. It's probably what's putting you off. In a NE, powered up you should be going right at about NNW and left at ESE. Draw it on a piece of paper. West is DOWNWIND!
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
8 Mar 2005 9:03pm
Hey Monkeykiter,

After reading your third post, I'm guessing you're body-dragging to recover your lost board. If that's the case and you can't body-drag upwind, just drag straight to shore, walk way up the beach (maintaining a sense of where your board is the whole time) and then do a downwind drag back out to the board.

If your board is a long way out(in the ocean), disregard my advice because you'll never find your stick amongst the chop.

NSW, 4382 posts
9 Mar 2005 8:04am
quote:
Originally posted by Monkeykiter

17knts 10m high aspect


Thanks guys.



Read Darrens post make sure you are not making one of those common mistakes, however as I suspected you are bodydragging at the lower limit for a 10M kite in "17" knots, especially if the wind is more like 13 - 17 knots.
Wind is never constant (except in WA!!) and considering that you are body dragging with only one hand on the bar to steer, you would not have much power with a 10M in that sort of wind.

I suspect you are making one or more of the mistakes Darren mentions and are a bit underpowered, possibly even confused about the direction too.

If you get out of the water 5m upwind from where you went in, you bodydragged upwind, even if you maintain ground, you are body dragging upwind.

If you have to get a copmpass, draw the beach direction, check the wind direction as compared to the beach, then draw a line at right angles to the wind direction, that line is the direction you would travel in bodydragging (and holding ground kiteboarding).

Practice in a bit more wind?
How much do you weigh?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
9 Mar 2005 1:07pm
Thanks, I'm only 65kg's.

Why was I told a 10m kite would be ideal to start with, when every time I take it out no-one uses anything under a 12!

newcastle_justin
newcastle_justin
NSW
149 posts
NSW, 149 posts
9 Mar 2005 1:46pm
I often wonder the same thing Monkey. Several of my mates (65 kg +) have been advised to go with a 10 as a first kite. However, as soon as they get past body dragging (i.e. within the first few sessions) it becomes very difficult. Either they don’t have enough wind to get them going (even with the kite flying up and down which isn’t ideal for learning anyway) or it is very strong, unforgiving wind in which case they get smashed. It would make more sense to me to suggest a 12m kite as a first kite for a 65-75 kg rider. It would also allow them a bigger wind range when they progress. Thoughts anyone?
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
9 Mar 2005 3:06pm
Is it fair to say I should buy a second kite now, being a 16m? I also have a very short board (132) that likes to nose dive when there is no power.
Alan
Alan
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
9 Mar 2005 4:03pm
MK,
I'd go 14 (or grunty 13) if you already have a 10.
I think your Sydney based so remember its going to be colder stronger S/SE then later on SW and even later horrible W, before the NE comes back in Oct/Nov. So if you're not going to kite in the cold, spend your hard earned later on.
not on board
not on board
210 posts
210 posts
9 Mar 2005 2:08pm
Mk,
It is true that the steady wind is on its way out and the gusts are aheading BUT, there is still time to ride the 15Knot days. I have a 16 Rhino1 that I have lent to a friend, but he nows has a new 17m and does not need it.
You can have it for $100. It flys very well and as all will tell you it sits in the wind great but it is a slow dog when turning. It was fun to learn with as it is grunty like all Rhinos but but seems outdated by todays quick turning easy upwind riding kites. Just a thought as the kite really is no use for me now except for teaching with as it is stable and does not fly eratic so learners have time to steer without accidental dives and loops.

Just for my 2 cents worth, last winter I spent most time on 11m and 8m kites even got to ride a 6m when the winds got to 40k. I am 85k and during the winter make sure you keep the kite low when you come ashore and expect to use your quick release as the gusts come and go in seconds, nothing like summer but can be good fun when out in the water.
chopper
chopper
QLD
37 posts
QLD, 37 posts
10 Mar 2005 12:04am
when you"re having trouble body dragging up wind and back to you"re board, dive the kite hard downwards across the wind and resist as hard as you can sideways, if you mis the target do the same in the opposite tack. There is no tricks, it"s just practice good luck!
NSW, 4382 posts
10 Mar 2005 7:51am
quote:
Originally posted by Monkeykiter

Thanks, I'm only 65kg's.

Why was I told a 10m kite would be ideal to start with, when every time I take it out no-one uses anything under a 12!





Its line ball at 65kg, but I would still have said get an 11M or a 12M.
The 1.32 board is also an issue, its fine if you are experienced, but makes life a bit more difficult for learning.
90% of begginers tend to go out underpowered, it is quite natual and normal, and comes from a fear based respect for the power of the kite. Only practice diminishes this "fear", once you have been out enough times you get more used to handling more power.
At the beggining though you tend to want to go out when the winds are lighter, so it is better to get a slightly bigger kite when starting out.

If I were you I would consider getting a 13 or 14M kite, even though winter is coming there will be days when the winds are 15 knotsish.

Provided you are keeping your body straight when dragging you are most likely doing it right, and you are just a bit underpowered with a 10M, plus you probably weigh at least 70kg wet!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
Hurrah
Hurrah
NSW
382 posts
NSW, 382 posts
10 Mar 2005 8:00am
Monkey,

I'm that friend to Not on Board and have the kite for you to see if you like. It's the most stable thing you could fly.

Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
10 Mar 2005 11:26am
Thanks Hurrah,

But I am sticking to the monkeykites as they handle extremely well.

I'd like to do my part in giving them more exposure as the owners of monkekites are a great bunch of people.

Thanks for the offer though.
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