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Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
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22 Feb 2007 12:58am
OK, Just wanted to share with anyone interested, that today I decided to not just fly the kite like the last couple of outings. But yes take the board out and go that next step.

All was good with the 14m up, flying around doing figure eights feeling the power before trying the board. OK grab board piece off piss lets go, then 2 heavy crashes and 1 ripped kite.

So wind picked up got out the 10m shes right mate fall off horse get back on. walked up the beach for a better angle. WOW plaining, this is a piece off piss then smack followed by a nice body drag. OH did I mention that body drag was across sand and lovely dry kelp every couple meters. Well that happened several times until, YES he's up for about 80m.

At least I survived and can still LOL about the whole experience and try again tomorrow. Although my leg is throbbing and bruised and I've got a head ache still from when I left the water.

For those still reading about my experience please reassure me you went through similiar. Please also explain what I'm doing wrong when I'd get going for about 20M then I'd sink, I couldn't stop the kite fom going to the edge of the wind window. Have I got the bar to vertical or horizontal?? It's at the right high I think but keeps coming round to the edge of the window.

It's a 4 line setup.

Anyhow any constructive suggestions appreciated. And yes I had lessons just not with board.

Cheers
blorman
blorman
WA
13 posts
WA, 13 posts
22 Feb 2007 4:12am
All sounds very familiar. What kind of kite are you using? If it's a bow or sle you might need to sheet it in a bit more.

If you're not powered up you need to work the kite up and down to keep it in the window. Don't worry too much just takes a bit of practice. For now try to get out with enough power and stay upwind.
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
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22 Feb 2007 10:52am
Baster,
just keep doing, the only think tht matters now is time on the water: the more the better you'l go . And keep it safe.
Good luck.
colinwill78
colinwill78
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1395 posts
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22 Feb 2007 11:15am
Sounds just like my early days, i was a very slow progressor to begin with as the board was totally new to me, but i did know about flying kites.
i had planeing-stalling issues too, and found myself a cure.
once up and moving on the board, drive the kite up and down at the edge of the window.
This was my first breakthrough with maintaining a plane.
I didn't have to work it hard, but it needed to be shifting up and down only about 3-4m. This helps with under powered conditions as it increases the apparent wind speed.
when you get the hang of that and are planing along you can start to think about going upwind.
In more under powered conditions you will also need to use the bar correctly when driving the kite. More aggressive swoops and you will need to sheet in a bit on the turns(turns-depends alot on your kite) and down strokes to catch more wind. Sheet out a bit (you'll learn not to over do it) when the kite is sailing upwards which again increases the apparent wind. the kite provides power to you on the upstroke by pulling you under it as it goes up, rather than just catching more wind and pulling you along.

if that was useful i could share a little more, but i'll stop now in case that was a bit painful to read.
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
22 Feb 2007 9:24am
Kites Airush Flows I'm getting in touch with Neil today from hold the line kite shop. apparently he's really good with repairs.

The perception of I'm an ex-windsurfer, I'll be right is totally wrong. I was windsurfing at a high level, but I feel that knowledge is only helping me with about 10% of my kiting.

I will persist and refuse to be beaten. But be assured I'm trying hard to keep it safe as possible.
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
22 Feb 2007 11:28am
Practice more flying the kite. Stand on the beach for 2 hours and do some radical steering, jumping and such. There is NO REASON what so ever that you should crash the kite so hard that it rips just because you sink with your board.
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
22 Feb 2007 3:14pm
The airush has 3 settings on the back lines pig tails. Slow, Medium and fast. Am I right in thinking slow would be best for learning. Wouldn't it reduce the kite from taking drastic turns and crashing.

On the same line of thought which of the 3 knots are best. I'm thinking I've goy it right but I t would be nice for others thoughts.

Cheers
harry potter
harry potter
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22 Feb 2007 5:58pm
Not sure blaster but if it is anything like the Cabrinha setup the knots on the bridle are more for adjusting the power.

Typically if you hook your lines up to the knot closest to the kite the kites flying profile will change and it should sit further back in the wind window and cath more wind which is better for the light wind conditions. But will dramatically overpower you in stronger wind. ( my experienc with the Cabrinha sw2 is that this knot can actually choke the kite in the light wind to compensate for this i usually adjust the trim strap to depower a little and change the profile slightly)

The knots furthest from the kite again change the flying profile allowing the kite to have a more aerodynamic profile and therefore fly faster and further towards the edge of the window ( better for stronger winds )

Of course sheeting in or out on the bar has the same effect ie changes the profile, sheet in more power sheet out less power et... as does the trim stap above the bar.

The issue you mention regarding sinking would suggest that you may not have enough power for the conditions.

and yes we have all been through it. One day soon it will just click and you will be off and going and probably wonder why you couldnt do it earlier it becomes that easy.

hope ths goes some way to helping. Im the meantime keep getting more time on the water and all will be revealed.
rockstar
rockstar
NSW
64 posts
NSW, 64 posts
22 Feb 2007 8:21pm

we have all been there mate, it brings back memories when i was learning the guitar, breaking strings on heavy riffs.
go the Ozi and get back on that horse!
go big CUZ.
blorman
blorman
WA
13 posts
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22 Feb 2007 6:44pm
Be careful messing with the knots. It's more likely technique at this point. Try to leave it at the factory setting.

As harry potter said, the knots have the same effect on the kite as sheeting the bar. When you sheet out the rear lines should be visibly slack, the kite should fly itself to the edge of the window and stall there. If you sheet in the kite should power up. Too much rear tension and the kite will sort of 'pinch' and fly backwards.

I'm an ex-windsurfer too, and I found that I would hold the bar like a boom and sheet in too tight. Sheeting in does increase the power but the real power comes from the position of the kite in the window, and often you need to sheet out to make the kite fly where you want it to.

sorry for the information overload
Kite -Kid
Kite -Kid
WA
84 posts
WA, 84 posts
22 Feb 2007 9:36pm
keep trying and when u start and dive your kite point ur board downwind..when u start moving push on ur back leg and u will start plaining..then remember to keep ur front leg striaght and ur back leg pushing constantly.

wipeout
wipeout
WA
2 posts
WA, 2 posts
22 Feb 2007 10:33pm
Just like to say it's still great news people are getting their arse's kicked even with the new kites. Don't want the sport getting too easy or everyone would be at it.
Keep getting spanked, it's the only way to learn!!!!!!!!!!
sandman
sandman
WA
432 posts
WA, 432 posts
22 Feb 2007 11:00pm
I think the 3 knots he may have been talking about are for moving the pigtail backwards and fowards along the tip batten.

I am not familiar with the kite but if you can move the pigtails backwards and fowards along 3 attachment points, keep it in the middle. if you want slower turns, move fowards, backwards for faster. personaly preferance really. the bar length effect turning speed aswell, so it's something you will have to experiment with.

A slow turning kite is good for unexpected pulling on the bar (eg while putting the board on) but if you want to corect the kite that has managed to scoot straight through the power zone, it will take longer. 6 of 1, half a dozen...etc. Also, working a kite on lighter days can be a real mission if the kite has been made to turn slow.

As for the 3 knots on each pig tail, the others have already explained their effect on kite power.

good luck, and if in doubt get an experienced kiter to have a look at what you got and help you land and launch a couple of times to adjust things. most of us a pretty friendly.
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
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23 Feb 2007 3:24am
Don't start fiddling around with knots and pigtails and stuff like that. IT WILL NOT HELP YOU!! Not at this stage.

I know I usually compare it with cars (don't know why cause I really don't know jack about cars but it works along the same principles in many ways) and I will do it again. If you're just starting to learn how to drive would you start by tweaking the engine the first thing you do, or would you try to learn how to use it properly and then tweak it to make it fit your personal preference?

Use the factory default. It is default for a reason. When you are starting to get the hang of things, and you actually know what you are talking about, THEN you can start making adjustments to linelength, barlength, trimstraps, centreline-swivels, centreline-lenghts, pigtail placement, knots and so on and so on. See where I am getting? If you start modding your gear now you will probably end up destroying it or modding it and actually making it worse, cause as a beginner you really don't have a clue how things will affect the gear, and you won't be able to tell if it's better or worse for you at the time.
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
25 Feb 2007 1:18am
Get the Progression Beginner DVD.

Details all the basics up to jumping - Good Investment!
junglist
junglist
VIC
701 posts
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25 Feb 2007 9:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by Blaster

For those still reading about my experience please reassure me you went through similiar.



Went through? Going through more like!

Sounds like we are at the same stage only I am having trouble controling the power of the kite. It was 25Kts+ today which is way the strongest I have been out on (13M kite) and it was onshore which meant a hell of a walk back out to a safe distance struggeling with the kite every time I had a small run. I won't repeat some of the insults hurled at the malicious piece of fabric and it felt like the waist harness was constantly trying to become a neck harness.

Most runs ended in painful contact with sandbanks as I lept from the board to prevent total disaster Ah well, next lesson is to try edging the board to control the speed..........I think
Surfer62
Surfer62
1357 posts
1357 posts
26 Feb 2007 8:25am
Blaster, I was where you are now not that long ago, frustrating time and I wasted a lot of good wind time. The best tip anyone can give you now is to pay an instructor for one more lesson, he will stand with you and he will point you in the right direction straight away and youll be upwind in no time. Mates, dvds and all that are great but a good instructor is best. Cheers
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
26 Feb 2007 10:51am
It the Speed Attatchment points are like the 2005 North set up (or even if it isn't) put the 14 on the fast setting and the 10 on the medium. I toyed with my gear when I was learning its the only way to really learn about the gear and how it works. If you find your self going over crud in the water or over a shoal (shallow water even though it is not recomended to kite in shallows as sand is a lot harder then it looks as you've found out) put the kite up at 11/1 o'clock to hold your body weight up a little bit. And if you keep sinking in the water every 20m it means you need to work the kite to keep going. Time on the water is the Key.

And yes we've all been taken for a ride by our gear and still do from time to time.
SOLAR
SOLAR
10 posts
10 posts
26 Feb 2007 9:04am
quote:
Originally posted by junglist



Went through? Going through more like!

Sounds like we are at the same stage only I am having trouble controling the power of the kite. It was 25Kts+ today which is way the strongest I have been out on (13M kite) and it was onshore




That sounds like either a very rangy kite or you were being way overpowered.

I'm researching kites at moment hoping that a good kite will make life easy for my progression, but all this talk of knots is confusing.

Junglist, do you have to play with knots to use your 13m in 25knots?

Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
26 Feb 2007 10:29am
Thanks all for your thoughts and opinions,

I've persisted and with the right winds on saturday for the location(cross onshore) had so much more success. I think the psychological element of not being dragged across the beach mad things easier. I actually went about 200m then panicked because some dude was in the water down wind of me. I let the 5th line kick in, big mistake. After I helped the guy get his board, my kite proceeded to flip over and the 5th line being slack then wrapped around the kite with the others into a big mess. I drifted in using the kite as a sail. I'm now waiting for that next wind to try again.

First thing I did after some of your feed back was set the kite to all the default settings. This slowed it down some what to a manageable speed.

I bumped into an old friend at the beach that has been kiting for about 6 years, without my knowledge. he offered to give the kite a fly and check all my lines and setup are correct, which thankfully they where. He then told me it's a high aspect kite, which will make learning a bit tougher and longer. But should be good as I progress.

Anyhow that's the update so far, I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one going through these frustrating times and others went through the same and some are currently.
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