NSW Maritime proposal to require PFDs

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Robbo2099
Robbo2099
WA
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11 Dec 2009 3:41pm
NSW Maritime is proposing that kitesurfers be required to wear PFDs when in any ocean waterway and when more than 100 metres from shore in sheltered waters.

NSWKBA had prepared and submitted a Position in response to feedback from Members and from feedback posted on SeaBreeze.

More information is available on the following SeaBreeze forum post in the NSWKBA area at:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=59070


tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
11 Dec 2009 10:52pm
Nice work NSWKBA!

You can read the submission here-
http://www.nswkba.com.au/Content/Documents/Document.ashx?DocId=93549

Here's a snippet-
"NSWKBA categorically opposes the mandatory imposition of a requirement of the use of PFDs in kitesurfing/kiteboarding and would also campaign for a removal of the existing requirement that kiters wear a PFD when more than 400m from shore in the ocean."
Robbo2099
Robbo2099
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
12 Dec 2009 10:18am
All NSW kiters are encouraged to go to the NSW Maritime link and post your own comments BEFORE 9 JANUARY.

www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
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12 Dec 2009 1:58pm
Are there any drowning statistics?
Sir V
Sir V
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13 Dec 2009 9:24am
Well, I believe a new PFD option is already being worked on by a few proactive and daring kiters. Safety is at the forefront of their hard working intellects and I must take my neaprin binnie to this fine display of ingenuity.

A new line of assessories is also in the pipeline and I would expect the Kitesurfing community worldwide will take this trend at a speed matching the latest record at Luderitz. I believe these higly covert photos were snapped during a secret training session at an undisclosed location while practicing for the next record attempt.

What are your comments guys? Do you reckon we should try to get some? I will accept finantial contributions for revealing the identity of this brave scientist and the location of the testing facility.

Sir V




FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
4460 posts
NSW, 4460 posts
13 Dec 2009 10:37am
Robbo2099, thanks but in relation to Kitesurfing???
Or is 1% of watercraft. Do we fall in to the surfers category?

Cos if there have been 0 kiting drowns then it's quite frankly a waste of everyone's time.
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
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13 Dec 2009 10:51am
FlySurfer said...

Robbo2099, thanks but in relation to Kitesurfing???
Or is 1% of watercraft. Do we fall in to the surfers category?

Cos if there have been 0 kiting drowns then it's quite frankly a waste of everyone's time.


It specifically mentions kitesurfers over 100m from an accessible shore.
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
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13 Dec 2009 3:06pm
Jimmyz: the only 100 in the entire document is where it says printed on 100% recycled paper.

What page?
tobes
tobes
NSW
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13 Dec 2009 3:51pm
The 100m Jimmyz is referring to is the proposed new regulation -

www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html

Proposal: When operating small recreational craft such as a sailboard, kayak, canoe, kite
surf or similar craft:
? In sheltered waters, when more than 100 metres from an accessible shore
? In ocean waters, at all times.

There doesn't seem to be any instance of a kitesurfer drowning in Australia, as NSWKBA has rightly pointed out.
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
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14 Dec 2009 7:19pm
So is some pleb trying to fix a non existing problem?
tobes
tobes
NSW
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NSW, 1000 posts
14 Dec 2009 7:42pm
FlySurfer said...

So is some pleb trying to fix a non existing problem?


Yep. And they're lumping us in with Kayaks and Canoes to justify it.

From the same "Lifejacket Discussion Paper"-
Why? Current rules require a lifejacket to be worn when more than 400 metres from shore.
There have been a small number of fatalities involving these kinds of craft and their use
is increasing dramatically. The risks associated with this type of boating are significantly
mitigated by wearing a lifejacket.
For the majority of people it would be an insurmountable challenge to swim 400 metres,
especially if the weather is rough, they are wearing clothes, and they are disorientated or
injured following a capsize.
If you were operating close to shore in sheltered waters, it would still be okay not to wear
a lifejacket. But if more than 100 metres from an accessible shore, or in ocean waters, a lifejacket would have to be worn.



If this law is successful we will have to wear a lifejacket any time we are kiting in the ocean!

Please respond to the online feedback page to have your say-
www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6160 posts
QLD, 6160 posts
14 Dec 2009 7:24pm
freakin police state
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
14 Dec 2009 9:43pm
Im so over council,government,maritime etc.

You think they would have better things to worry about than us kitesurfers.

They cant even build a fence properly.I bet the council member that approved this fence must feel like a fool when the sun shines at 2oclock ever arvo. What a c o c k up

KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
15 Dec 2009 9:20am
tobes said...

FlySurfer said...

So is some pleb trying to fix a non existing problem?


Yep. And they're lumping us in with Kayaks and Canoes to justify it.

From the same "Lifejacket Discussion Paper"-
Why? Current rules require a lifejacket to be worn when more than 400 metres from shore.
There have been a small number of fatalities involving these kinds of craft and their use
is increasing dramatically. The risks associated with this type of boating are significantly
mitigated by wearing a lifejacket.
For the majority of people it would be an insurmountable challenge to swim 400 metres,
especially if the weather is rough, they are wearing clothes, and they are disorientated or
injured following a capsize.
If you were operating close to shore in sheltered waters, it would still be okay not to wear
a lifejacket. But if more than 100 metres from an accessible shore, or in ocean waters, a lifejacket would have to be worn.



If this law is successful we will have to wear a lifejacket any time we are kiting in the ocean!

Please respond to the online feedback page to have your say-
www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html



Come on people fill in the online feedback before 10th January. Get you voice heard!

Sir V
Sir V
QLD
490 posts
QLD, 490 posts
15 Dec 2009 9:15am
I agree with Robbo and Kit33r - it is time to have our say...

SO...> go and do the survey NOW !!!

If we don't provide feedback by taking action there is no point complaining about it when the legislation is approved.

My 15c..

Sir V
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
4460 posts
NSW, 4460 posts
15 Dec 2009 1:53pm
I wear an impact vest, how the f am I supposed to put on a life jacket?

One day, I'm just going to get up and go live in Namibia.
diginoz
diginoz
WA
317 posts
WA, 317 posts
15 Dec 2009 8:02pm
just fill the form in b4 u go n buy a tiger vest
peanuticus
peanuticus
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
15 Dec 2009 11:38pm
Sir V said...

Well, I believe a new PFD option is already being worked on by a few proactive and daring kiters. Safety is at the forefront of their hard working intellects and I must take my neaprin binnie to this fine display of ingenuity.

A new line of assessories is also in the pipeline and I would expect the Kitesurfing community worldwide will take this trend at a speed matching the latest record at Luderitz. I believe these higly covert photos were snapped during a secret training session at an undisclosed location while practicing for the next record attempt.

What are your comments guys? Do you reckon we should try to get some? I will accept finantial contributions for revealing the identity of this brave scientist and the location of the testing facility.

Sir V







Now that is gold!!!
kitecroc
kitecroc
SA
513 posts
SA, 513 posts
15 Dec 2009 11:22pm
At least the NSW gov let you put a proposal in. Here in SA they just did it without any consultation, so if you have the opportunity to have a say, do it! Just remember that the "we don't like to wear one because it makes us look silly" excuse does not cut it. Ask everyone you know if they like speed cameras, we all know the answer but we still have them. If you have had any experiences where wearing a pfd has caused a safety issue, eg Got rolled in the surf and my lines got caught around the buckle and i couldn't get free until the buckle broke. Those are the stories which will help your cause.

Good luck NSWKBA and crew
Redskin
Redskin
WA
22 posts
WA, 22 posts
22 Dec 2009 11:15pm
I thought that I was flying a life jacket! Isn't a kite better floatation than a life jacket?
Robbo2099
Robbo2099
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
23 Dec 2009 12:26pm
Please don't forget -- you only have until 9 January to file your submission with NSW Maritime.

KEY POINT: IF THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT OPPOSED SUFFICIENTLY, YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO WEAR AN APPROVED LIFE JACKET WHILE KITING AT ALL TIMES IN ALL OCEAN WATERS AND WHEN MORE THAN 100M FROM SHORE IN CLOSED WATERS.

www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html

The NSWKBA position is here:

www.nswkba.com.au/Content/Documents/Document.ashx?DocId=93717



Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
23 Dec 2009 3:33pm
I did answer the survey, but even if it goes through there is no way in hell I'm wearing a PFD on a big day... Imagine getting dumped by a giant froth monster in a PFD... ouch.

How would they enforce it? Coastguard?
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
29 Dec 2009 11:54am
bump
Nickoff
Nickoff
NSW
106 posts
NSW, 106 posts
29 Dec 2009 6:39pm
i doubt they will listen to us anyway

worth a try though
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