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user
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user user
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27 Jul 2007 10:34am
Thank you Meercat.
It seemed clear to me,and I couldn't understand why other people did not read it that way.

But more so,I can't understand why they can be so unkind !
Saffer
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Saffer Saffer
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27 Jul 2007 12:34pm
quote:
Originally posted by meerkat

quote:
Originally posted by danza
As for dumbo,s user your all alone on that one.


I agree with user. The reviewer is "implying" the kite lacked a little power when he flew it.

Many reasons why this is the case:

- he's not used to flying this type of kite
- he's not any good
- the kite has less power due to its shape

But its absolutely implied in his post. Em - whats an innuendo? Sounds like a a trick on did on the beach last week, well thats how i ended up anyhow.


On the contrary, User implied that the 9m Helix had less power than a 7m C which is not implied in the review on kiteforum. That is what most people are disagreeing with.
meerkat
meerkat
WA
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meerkat meerkat
WA, 644 posts
27 Jul 2007 10:55am
quote:
Originally posted by Saffer
On the contrary, User implied that the 9m Helix had less power than a 7m C which is not implied in the review on kiteforum. That is what most people are disagreeing with.


Now i am confused? My reply was about the review relating to the "naish 2008 stuff". I know not of the other disagreement.

Would be good if this farking kite just showed up already and we had gazillion reviews of it. That would end the discussion, surely?
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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waveslave waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
27 Jul 2007 11:00am
Maybe the answer to the Helix power mystery is in the geo-tech construction.
The sales blurb speaks of panel tension between struts,
which sounds to me like there is less of a full shape in the canopy.
That would make the kite more manageable over a broader windrange.
The top end would be improved at the expense of the bottom.
So maybe the kite is gutless in the bottom-end if you don't whip it hard enough.

And that would mean:
Where you once used a 7m bow for a given windspeed....
Now you will need to fly a 9m Helix to achieve the same result.
I don't like the sound of that !
dave......
dave......
WA
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dave...... dave......
WA, 2119 posts
27 Jul 2007 11:25am
Now I'm confused... I thought it was a bow kite with a kink in it?
Bow kites have lots of depower so I suppose you could ride this kinky bowkite overpowered and feel comfortable?
WINDSURFnSNOW
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27 Jul 2007 2:00pm
quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
Originally posted by em
Originally posted by waveslave
You are more than honest, Em.

Thanks. I try as much as I can...


So if 'Em' is the real you...
Who's the fake you ?

Nothing's fake mate, I've got nothing to hide. It's no secret I work for a shop and I support it like any good employee does
Knowing that this isn't an alias of mine at all, it's the work log in on Seabreeze. We sponsor the site as well and Windsurfnsnow isn't ME, it's a team. And my personal opinions aren't given through it: posts we answer can be written by anyone from the shop, writing on the team behalf...
Did I set your record straight now?
Oh, and just to be impartial....
We have a Rebel 08 and the new Crossbow 3 on our demo shelf (see, pretty open minded for a North and Naish pimp, don't you think? (Yes,JB,I know... I'm ready to get my head chopped off for daring putting this on your thread!!!)) and the Helix will join them next week!

Kite Action
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27 Jul 2007 7:43pm
Hi Guys and Gals on the SunnyCoast,

We will have a brand new Naish Helix For Demo towards the end of next week!

Please feel free to come in and Grab the Helix for yourself and test the kite in YOUR local conditions and see/feel how it flys.

If you would like, phone ahead to secure a time thats suits you.

Bring on the wind!


Regards
Luke


Kitepower Australia
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28 Jul 2007 12:35pm
Well, now I've seen a Helix in the flesh, they do exist! Very interesting design, can't wait to fly one.
Demo's will be in stores early next week. I've got a 12 coming, maybe a 9, Geelong will have a demo kite too.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
JB
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31 Jul 2007 8:59am
Exciting, the first shipment of Helix arrived yesterday!

Soooo sweet!

JB
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31 Jul 2007 10:36am
On my way over now JB!!!!!!!!!!

Steve

quote:
Originally posted by JB

Exciting, the first shipment of Helix arrived yesterday!

Soooo sweet!

JB
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31 Jul 2007 3:19pm
Well I got my 12M demo kites, and now am looking for the NE to pick up a bit more before I head over to Dolls, its saying 14/16 at the airport and 18/19 at Kurnell so it looks like a little Helix demo could be the way to finish a hard day at the office.
Look for old guy with bent kites at Dolls!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

PS - All Naish Sigma/Geo Tech kite prices online now.
Kitepower Australia
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1 Aug 2007 11:24am
I got to ride the 12M Helix yesterday for about an hour or more one word - Incredible!

Reports of poor bottom end are nonsense, I was last kite on the water from a range of 17 C kites, 16Bow to 12 Bow.

Review later, probably tomorrow, in reviews section.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

youngbull
youngbull
QLD
826 posts
youngbull youngbull
QLD, 826 posts
1 Aug 2007 12:31pm
I also have a 12mt helix here in brisbane if anyone would like a go feel free to message me or if you see one in the air at brighton qld come up and say hello.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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waveslave waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
1 Aug 2007 10:33am
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
I got to ride the 12M Helix yesterday for about an hour or more one word - Incredible!

Reports of poor bottom end are nonsense, I was last kite on the water from a range of 17 C kites, 16Bow to 12 Bow.

Review later, probably tomorrow, in reviews section.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve




Hi Steve,
From information taken from your previous post,
I'm guessing the windspeed was about 15 knots.
So your choice of a 12m (Helix) for the situation sounds fairly ordinary.
By the way, I use my 7m bow for that same windspeed.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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Spacemonkey! Spacemonkey!
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1 Aug 2007 1:38pm
Slave' why would anyone want to fly a 7m Waroo in 15 knots. Wow you must weigh like 500grams, either that or you use a big floaty windsurf board. Given you say you do it to save money, why not a 9m at least? Having a 7m is a very unusual one kite quiver, I doubt in 15 knots you can do anything but barely plane, that ain't what the sport is about. Also Steve you say you were the last kite out, was that because everyone had had enough and went home earlier and you were more desperate? Or was it because this kite had more power than any other kites on the water, please clarify.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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waveslave waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
1 Aug 2007 6:22pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!
Slave' why would anyone want to fly a 7m Waroo in 15 knots.


Because the kite has mega-grunt and I've got the technique to fully milk it in the waves, dude.
Put it down to experience.
Suffer on your big, fat arse kite, Chimp.
lol.
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
dave...... dave......
WA, 2119 posts
1 Aug 2007 6:45pm

Because the kite has mega-grunt and I've got the technique to fully milk it in the waves, dude.
Put it down to experience.
Suffer on your big, fat arse kite, Chimp.
lol.

Wavey, Do you actually go out or just sit in the carpark thinking about your next post???? Met you a few times, NEVER in the water. Your hypocritical inconsistent posts are getting very funny. but I'm not laughing with you. 15knots-7m bow..... Ive got a paddleboard if you want to bring your desire to fruition
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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waveslave waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
1 Aug 2007 6:55pm
quote:
[i]Originally posted by dave
Wavey, Do you actually go out or just sit in the carpark thinking about your next post???? Met you a few times, NEVER in the water.


I've never met you dude.
But if by chance we have ,
it wasn't memorable.
lol.
Neill
Neill
VIC
484 posts
Neill Neill
VIC, 484 posts
1 Aug 2007 8:59pm
Saw the helix in action today at caloundra - looked pretty good in the air. Kite was a 12m but looked substantially bigger than the switchblade 12m next to it, and bigger than the flexi ion 12.5 next to that..... seems like the sizes aren't all equal. It sure delivered a fair bit of power and turned quick - that was the consensus from the users. jumped big - just as big as the ion2 12.5 did with the same rider.
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
dave...... dave......
WA, 2119 posts
1 Aug 2007 7:12pm
Not memorable for me either, LOL..

"Don't talk about it just show your ****...!!! Pick up your lessons in time!!! Live life how it goes, don't put to much energy in changing things it can be badly, just pick it up and take it...once you go it will be all good! AAAAAAAAAAdrenaline Driven for lifetime! PEACE and Mellow out..." Thats a quote from a real kiter.

Just go out and release your frustration, or have you contemplated Testosterone therapy, I hear its excellent in releiving grumpy old man syndrome.
Get out today, yesterday, the day before, oh silly question it wasnt 15knots for your 7m......IDIOT
890Falcon
890Falcon
NSW
383 posts
890Falcon 890Falcon
NSW, 383 posts
1 Aug 2007 9:17pm
Rumour has it the KKK RnD team are riding the Naish Helix.

If this is true the farken kite must be incredible.

Waveslave just admit it you want a Helix.

Steve so I take it the kite has more bottom end than a 7mtr C kite.
Mc Bridle
Mc Bridle
WA
60 posts
Mc Bridle Mc Bridle
WA, 60 posts
1 Aug 2007 7:33pm
Got to fly the 12 Helix today in about 15 knots tops with a few of the boys. All were impressed and one bought one straight away. The kite turns really fast with consistant power through the arc. Plenty of power and stupidly stable and smooth. The weird thing about it is that it wont flap or luff no matter what you do. In the light conditions it definatly had more power than the 12m 06 Waroo and the 14 Vegas that we were flying also (but not mind bending). Jumping seemed quite good bearing in mind that the wind was on the light side and I only had the kite for an hour and obviouly needed some more time to dial in my timing.

I fly 07 Waroos and am happy to keep them, however if I were getting a new kite, the Helix would definately be the one.

Having flown the kite now for myself, it seems the ever-slagging whinging Waveslave has made a fool of himself yet again. I suggest he takes up kiting instead of thread bashing.

Hope this was of help, it was as unbias and objective as I could be. I am and unsponsored average kiter with no loyalty to brands. I just love kiting.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
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gruezi gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
1 Aug 2007 8:09pm
Looks like I'll be using 4 brands ........cool.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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Spacemonkey! Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
1 Aug 2007 10:04pm
Suffer on my big kites lol. I prefer it that way, small kites turn fast, turning fast is bad news if you plan on unhooking. If you want to plug around on your boat and fall onto the wave at 2 knots then "milk" it then you do that, just make sure your not "milking" yourself.

Also if you have ever met me you would know I weigh about 75kg, hardly big fat arse. Get a job.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
poor relative poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
1 Aug 2007 8:42pm
I hate to back the old bloke up with the new hip but the 'slave tells no lie.

I was out with the gruzitsker some time ago at Avalon, i on a 12 rebel, Griuzisker on a 10.5 Flexifoil, both struggling riding twinnies. The slave was there on a 7m Waroo cruising.

I kid you not. Could not believe it.
Mind you he is hardly big either long ways or sideways.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
waveslave waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
1 Aug 2007 9:06pm
quote:
Originally posted by danza

Waveslave just admit it you want a Helix.



Wink.
Maybe.....maybe not.
But I'm always willing to be open-minded.

A mate today fully-trashed his bow in the nasty reefbreak.
Now he's up for a new kite and he's seriously talking Helix.
And that's good for me.
Cause a true-review is a 6 month test by a good friend....
rather than some 1 hour pimp-ride to feed the hype.
Danza,
Ask me the same question early next year.
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
cwamit cwamit
WA, 1194 posts
1 Aug 2007 10:10pm
so it is small man cyber behavior syndrome ..figured as much! ;o)

pychology 101 beside... good to hear more thoughts on the kite design. hope the alliance has same benefits but without bridles and the more direct feel associated with no pulleys.

with regards to power and kite size...seems some 12 meter kites are smaller that other 12 meter kites when flown side by side..also comparing a potentialy baged out 06 kite to a spanking new 07 kite isn't exactly fair.

it comes down to turning speeds (which isn't exclusively dependent on wing size) and upwind performance for me. which I wonder why no one has commented how well the kites go upwind. also add your board size your on at the time of using the kite if your claiming your out on a smaller helix kite than everyone else is on other kites.

one last thing about these kites that won't be known for 12 months is once they get bagged out as kites do...will the performance take a bigger dump than say a normal c or bow kite. is the sigma shape and the geo tech combined or each excluive to the kites performance ...one has to wonder how will this play out long term.
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2 Aug 2007 11:49am
G'day Spacemonkey

I will be posting a full review later today in the reviews section.
I was just stating a fact, that I was last kite on the water, and there were big kites out that day.
We were all well powered for about an hour, in the lulls though I still had plenty of power and ability to stay upwind. I was doing some jumps, but did not notice anyone else was.
I think the Helix 12M has very good botom end, a good few knots lower than most other flat kites.

I agree with most of what you say the sport is about, but there is a large contingent of riders who like to ride in light winds, or any wind they can. Kites that have big wind range are good for the sport. Kites like the Helix that also have quick and tight turning and fast flight and eat up apparent wind are also good for riders in the sport like you.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

Slave' why would anyone want to fly a 7m Waroo in 15 knots. Wow you must weigh like 500grams, either that or you use a big floaty windsurf board. Given you say you do it to save money, why not a 9m at least? Having a 7m is a very unusual one kite quiver, I doubt in 15 knots you can do anything but barely plane, that ain't what the sport is about. Also Steve you say you were the last kite out, was that because everyone had had enough and went home earlier and you were more desperate? Or was it because this kite had more power than any other kites on the water, please clarify.
justdoit
justdoit
QLD
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justdoit justdoit
QLD, 65 posts
2 Aug 2007 12:37pm
Im surprised your showing so much interest in Naish stuff Steve????????

I thought Cabrinha made the best kites around?? Or have you jumped that ship already
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2 Aug 2007 1:02pm
Justdoit, your AVATAR is hypnotic. I just lost 5 minutes of my life watching it! Nice one!

JB
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