The north evo is a great stable allrounder.

I was going to say the north rebel, but as you don't want 5th line then the answer is a north fuse.

Ive owned all 3 kites (rebel, fuse and evo) over the years and my favourite is the fuse.
its basically a 4 line bridal rebel.

if you check

www.northkites.com

there is info on the fuse.

the site doesn't have the new one, but it is available.

it jumps well, has good low end, high end and relaunches.

what more do you want

Well I have been looking ( in a lot of detail as per normal ) into the wainman rabbit version 2 series of kite. Demoed them over the past week ( ta WOK). I also got on the new catalyst today, nice as per normal with the ozone feel, bit an allrounder, mm kind of. Also flown the Evo but only 2012, nice kite, but mmmm again. The rally is really only a surf kite, I wouldn't put it int he realm of all rounder. But other might disagree and I haven't ridden one, but I know crew that own them.

But for an all rounder, you have to demo the wainman series. Never knew much about them before as let's face it, the ozone and north numbers have reached critical mass now and it is all you see and hear about. ( here come the red thumbs, infact if I get a red thumb it proves my point, go ahead).

I'm an all rounder in my style and I can safely say this is the best all rounder I have tried. The tuning options are mind boggling. I wouldn't call it a bridle but there is a very short one, very direct feel. If you don't like the bridle, take it off, it has a specific non bridle setting.

Plug and play is the key to this kite, its a no brainer and yet this allows you to push the boundaries without worrying what's going to be thrown back at you. Unbelievable construction to, same as the north kites really. Bullet proof.

Drifts in the waves, turns on a dime and gives you perfect feedback through looping and jumping.

Can't speak more highly of this kite and for someone whose been at it for 13 years I don't get surprised much, this kite has.

Put this in the mix man. Want more PM me. Take the rally off ya list. Also the fuse is not an all rounder in my opinion, but boosts like a madman, but you did say all rounder and that's what I do.

If you like Ozone my call is a 10m C4 and then an 8m catalyst!....

The 10c4 more dynamic and fun in the medium18-28 winds and the 8m catalyst a ball in stupid gusty conditions 25-40 knots.
.

PS i am 82kg ride a mutant in a cross on solid wave location.

my quiver is
15m flysurfer speed 3
13m ozone edge
10m c4
8m cat
6m reo.

I have my best sessions on the c4 and cat... mmm

Naish Park is another one to look at.
I read good things about it, but never had the chance to use one.
Supposed to be great in the waves and do everything else just fine.

eppo said...

Plummet said...
If you like Ozone my call is a 10m C4 and then an 8m catalyst!....

The 10c4 more dynamic and fun in the medium18-28 winds and the 8m catalyst a ball in stupid gusty conditions 25-40 knots.
.

PS i am 82kg ride a mutant in a cross on solid wave location.

my quiver is
15m flysurfer speed 3
13m ozone edge
10m c4
8m cat
6m reo.

I have my best sessions on the c4 and cat... mmm

Yeh I really like your quiver plummet, especially having flown all those kites except the speed ( but was on foils for four or five years). Crazy ass winds, lets face it, in the ocean you don't want to do silly jumps, surf mainly. At the 8m range, winds still right up there a little more stability and plug and play with the cat with a fee bigger jumps, in the nice zone as I call it, crank put some jumps, loops etc on the C4 which is not bad in the surf either. Lighter winds you want efficiency and as much speed as possible with the edge, and stupid light winds you want the efficiency that only a foil can provide.

Yeh makes sense ya quiver mate, I see your thinking.

How's the mutant going mate, update on that would be cool. Still swear by mine.

The mutant is going so well i'm considering selling the surfboard. I look at the sb and think to i want to do a surf only session or boost and surf on the mutant. the answer is allways boost and surf.

yes quiver is pretty darn good! some times i wish i got an 8m reo. but when i'm floating above the earth at silly height in complete controll in 30+ knots on the cat i know why i bought it.

There is only one problem with a split quiver. you have to adjust your technique to the different style of kite. but the imo the benifits of having the most suitable kite for teh conditions out way that easily.

eppo said...
Well I have been looking ( in a lot of detail as per normal ) into the wainman rabbit version 2 series of kite. Demoed them over the past week ( ta WOK). I also got on the new catalyst today, nice as per normal with the ozone feel, bit an allrounder, mm kind of. Also flown the Evo but only 2012, nice kite, but mmmm again. The rally is really only a surf kite, I wouldn't put it int he realm of all rounder. But other might disagree and I haven't ridden one, but I know crew that own them.

But for an all rounder, you have to demo the wainman series. Never knew much about them before as let's face it, the ozone and north numbers have reached critical mass now and it is all you see and hear about. ( here come the red thumbs, infact if I get a red thumb it proves my point, go ahead).

I'm an all rounder in my style and I can safely say this is the best all rounder I have tried. The tuning options are mind boggling. I wouldn't call it a bridle but there is a very short one, very direct feel. If you don't like the bridle, take it off, it has a specific non bridle setting.

Plug and play is the key to this kite, its a no brainer and yet this allows you to push the boundaries without worrying what's going to be thrown back at you. Unbelievable construction to, same as the north kites really. Bullet proof.

Drifts in the waves, turns on a dime and gives you perfect feedback through looping and jumping.

Can't speak more highly of this kite and for someone whose been at it for 13 years I don't get surprised much, this kite has.

Put this in the mix man. Want more PM me. Take the rally off ya list. Also the fuse is not an all rounder in my opinion, but boosts like a madman, but you did say all rounder and that's what I do.

Hi Eppo
Why do you say the Catalyst and EVO are just mmmm?
Like you initially, I haven't seen a lot of Wainman kites and it sounds a bit more than plug and play with all the different settings but I will do some more research.

JBFletch said...

Flying High said...

JBFletch said...
The north evo is a great stable allrounder.

I was going to say the north rebel, but as you don't want 5th line then the answer is a north fuse.

Ive owned all 3 kites (rebel, fuse and evo) over the years and my favourite is the fuse.
its basically a 4 line bridal rebel.

if you check

www.northkites.com

there is info on the fuse.

the site doesn't have the new one, but it is available.

it jumps well, has good low end, high end and relaunches.

what more do you want

Have you flown the new Fuse? If so what are the differences?
I agree I should consider the Fuse but wasn't sure the new one was out.

i haven't as yet, but i have seen one inflated.
The basic difference between it and the rebel is the 5th line.

The fuse uses bridals and an easy 4 line system, the Rebel uses 5th with no bridals.
The kites them self are pretty much the same and fly not a whole lot differently.
Im a FUSE fan for sure, and am waiting on a new 10m to arrive.

where are you located??
im happy to organise a demo for you...

Hi JB
I will try and demo a few kites in another month or two through my local North dealer at Collaroy. I used to ride 2009-2010 Rebel 9 & 12 combo and I liked their direct feel, boost, etc but I expected them to be a better surf kite than I thought they were. (Possibly my lack of skill)
Does the Fuse tend to pull you off the wave? (I found the Rebel did that a bit.)

if you like staying hooked in and want responsive steering through your turns then go the rebel or fuse.

if you want to park the thing and surf away then go the Evo.

after having all 3 (rebel, fuse, evo and now rebel again) ive found that the rebel is better suiting my needs at the moment.

saying that if i wasn't racing then the fuse would be the pick, simply for its ability to still fly if it goes down in the surf.

ask for anne or sammy and Wind, surf and snow (collaroy) or if you heading to botany or cronulla give me a shout.

i have a few bits a pieces, both kites and boards you can try.

Wanga F One said...

Flying High said...

I am looking at buying two new kites.
I want an all round plug and play kite, sizes 9, 12 or 10, 14. (I have a Ozone Zephyr which I will keep)
I weigh 85kg and ride a twin tip or surfboard in onshore mush.
I dont ride wakestyle and am too old and damaged to learn.

No pulleys and no fifth line. I would prefer a short bridle so there is less chance of it catching the wing tip.

I am thinking 2013 Slingshot Rally, Ozone Catalyst or North EVO.
I cant demo any for about another 4-6 weeks as coming back from injury but am trying to get as much info as I can before hand.

I would appreciate any feedback if anyone has ridden these and am open to other suggestions.
Thanks in advance

Although I once felt the same but why the problem with a fifth line?

The same reason for no pulleys.
One thing less to worry about - keep it simple.