personally I have been snowkiting with PL for 10 years (have used open cell foils as well but not FS on the snow)
Personally I reckon the 8 m is too small and is squirelly plus flies wildly when wet .The 10 is much more stable and will handle similar winds and will probably be of more use on the water also (similar power/depower to most 7 -8 m SLE kites)
The winds here in oz are nuclear or nothin .The 8 won't do the nothin days and the 10 will be more predictable on the nukin days (fly with short lines also on the snow on these days )

I have read somewhere that with a Peter Lynn you can catch a Fly fisherman.

but I thought if I can't use my 12m in +22knots then I cant use 10m FS too! am I right? it seems like foil kites giving you more power per square meter.

Yes thats correct. If your looking at a bridled foil you would need to look at 8m or smaller. I would go with a PL in 10m or a Flysurfer or HQ NEO around 8m2. powerkites.de/?option=com_kite&view=kite&Itemid=192&kite_id=12'

daPole said...

Try Ozone. Cheaper than Flysurfer, better than Flysurfer, better than PL I wish I knew the prices for PL to say cheaper than PL but I don't.
ozonekites.com/products/land-snow-kites

I have learned snowkiting back in 2002 on Flysurfer Mastair - that was rocking machine :)) new Fly's are great I can say nothing bad about them but Ozone are simply more user friendly. In anyway try before you buy.

PL - personally I wouldn't bother. Not because they are bad but because they haven't achieved (yet) the performance that FLy and Ozone offers.

yeah right have you actually tried a PL in the snow?
here's my background .Sell them and used to distribute them .have plenty to gripe about the company .I stand by my advice
the guy wants a kite for snow and water .No doubts about the ozone open cell kites they obviosly rock and I am sure are great on the water ,they are open cell !!!!!(i used open cell for a cupla years on water and had a few swims no biggie Buuut hey is this guy gonna be happy) the water kites are no doubt good on the snow too but are like any LEI on snow so I don't see how they stand out .Does Chasta usethem ? I'm not sure

Mr float said...

.Does Chasta usethem ? I'm not sure

No he doesn't he only uses Ozone foils, is sponsored by ozone so it speaks for itself but he says he perfers the foil for it's hang time and safety.
I have ozone FX Frenzy 9m and 12m Manta for snow kiting and I think they are great for that application although I wouldn't use them in the ocean.

Is there a good reason that you don't want to buy a kite for the water and another kite for the snow?
It seems to me that you will mostly be on water but sometimes snow.
I would take a look at the secondhand market.
You could get a nice tube kite for the water, (did I mention I'm selling a 9m Edge?) and an open celled foil like the Frenzy and still have change from the price of a Flysurfer.

I like Flysurfers though. An 8m Pulse2 would be a pretty good choice for a water + snow kite.

Kadkhah said...
Thanks for the advise, I actually have access to buy a 10m FS Psycho3 but I thought if I can't use my 12m in +22knots then I cant use 10m FS too! am I right? it seems like foil kites giving you more power per square meter.

Hello Kadkhah,

Here is my input as a heavy Flysurfer user... I own a 8m Psycho3 and a 10m Speed2. I tried the 10m Psycho4 . I only describe my experience on the ocean.

- If you have the money, the Psycho 4 is an exceptional kite. I wrote a brief review on this site www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=43101
- 20 to 24 knots on a 10 m Psycho 3 is probably the sweet spot for an experienced 75kg rider who likes being powered up but still comfortable and safe. This is my favorite wind range on a 10 m Flysurfer Speed2.
- I have bought a 8m Psycho3 recently (cost reason and I don't need the extra turning speed and reactivity of the Psycho4 for a 8m kite): the 8m Psycho3 will be my kite above 24 knots. I tried it in 18-22 knots on a relatively large board (132cmx41cm). i could stay upwind, could play, but I was asking for more power.

Do not hesitate if you have any query...

Cheers,

Fred

kiter789 said...

Remember...the more strings you have, the more strings to get caught up...

That is correct but its easier for those sharp edges to cut my Leading edge tube Plus I have to carry a pump with my self at all times.

tobes said...

Is there a good reason that you don't want to buy a kite for the water and another kite for the snow?...

I think my best reason is that I can't afford two kites plus the one I have! and I only use my snow kite 1 month a year so its much better if I can use my water kite on snow.

tobes said...

... An 8m Pulse2 would be a pretty good choice for a water + snow kite.

That is so true. I have even sent email to Flysurfer and they recommend Puls2 too.
There is an 8m one for sale here is seabreeze but unfortunately the owner is not answering his mobile. (I've called him 6 times different days)

Mr float said...

... see if there are any 10 m syns or venoms for sale .the 8 or 10 m bomba would be good too

I couldn't find any in the buy and sell section, Do you know who is the Peter Lynn dealer in WA and if they trade second hand kites or not?

fver said...

... I own a 8m Psycho3 and a 10m Speed2. I tried the 10m Psycho4 .

Fred
I understand from your review that P3 and P4 are very similar.
I know that P4 is an awesome kite but unfortunately its out of my budget.
Will you trade your 8m p3 with a 10m p3 (as I can get a 10m P3 with a reasonable price)?

PL dealer in Perth is Neil at Hold the Line Kites

1O METER SYNGERY USED ONCE $600
www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Kitesurfing/Kites/~dm_w/2007-Peter-Lynn-Venom-II.aspx?search=pvNZhwsaQK4ryiexMwDBhg%3d%3d

# 2008 Peter Lynn Synergy 10m Demo Kite. This kite come complete with zero 7 bar and will be available for purchase in 4 weeks.
http://www.stormriderkites.com.au/used.htm

I'm selling the PULSE 2 in 8m! The Psycho is gone..
www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Kitesurfing/Kites/~_55u/2007-Flysurfer-PSYCHO-III-10-metre.aspx?search=pvNZhwsaQK5QnFcISN0s2QDZTW2I0v4a

bit of ad abuse in that last one, sorry sven o.O

www.foilzone.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10535

www.foilzone.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10710

www.foilzone.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10690

How much do you weigh? less than 70?

www.foilzone.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10664 :-)

Spero said...

hey mate, I just picked up a 10m flysurfer speed 2 that I am looking to move on...

I need a 6 or an 8m one.