Physics of Kiting

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tWp
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tWp tWp
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17 Oct 2005 9:52am
We recently had a chemist on here explaining all about PV=nRT (a lovely little equation I haven't heard in years... and then telling us all how "chemists have soltuions"
Which is almost as sad as "Physics really does matter", "black holes really suck", "clones are people two" and "gravity, i fall for it every time"


That aside - can someone explain the physics of kiting for me?

As the kite moves through the window, it generates power. Is this due to a pressure difference (ala aerofoils shape?) or just simply due to the wind?
waveslave
waveslave
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WA, 4263 posts
17 Oct 2005 9:00am
Kite goes fast back.....

You get hard smack.

Regards
'slave
blacklotusninja
blacklotusninja
WA
26 posts
WA, 26 posts
17 Oct 2005 10:13am
Basically your attaching a big wing to yourself with some lines. This makes you the pivot point for your kite and also allows it genereate power by holding it in a position where air can freely flow across it. If the kite were not attached to you it would simply float away with the wind. The faster you move your kite through the air the greater the apparent speed of the air moving under and over it. Im assuming you have some knowledge of how a wing works i.e air moves faster over top due to curved shape causing a low pressure area above the wing. The slightly higher pressure air underneath the wing trys to equalize this pressure difference by moving to the low pressure area above said wing. This pushs against the bottom of the wing and causes lift. The faster you move your kite the greater the difference in pressure and the greater the lift generated. The other way a kite generates power is similiar to a sail. If your kite is at the edge of the window very little of its total surface area is exposed to the wind. When you fly it through the power zone you are exposing most of its surface to the wind and it generates a whole lot of pull (this is not the same as lift which is created by the aerofoil shape of the wind). So to answer your question kites take advantage of both the aerofoil shape to generate lift and can also generate power much like a sail by exposing a large surface to the wind. Thats my interpretation of it anyway.
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Tim
tWp
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tWp tWp
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17 Oct 2005 12:28pm
Thanks Tim.

That was the kind of answer I was looking for.
I thought it was something similar.. but because both forms of power were used, I wasn't sure...

paulio
paulio
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17 Oct 2005 4:56pm
"GO TO OPRAH GO TO OPRAH GO TO OPRAH"

Ur frigin killen me tWp, ur really killen me!!!!
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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WA, 6277 posts
17 Oct 2005 3:25pm
quote:
Originally posted by blacklotusninja
Im assuming you have some knowledge of how a wing works i.e air moves faster over top due to curved shape causing a low pressure area above the wing.


Careful... that's a very common misconception which actually has nothing to do with how a wing works. If that explanation were true, then:
a) Aeroplanes couldn't fly upside down, and
b) You could get more lift by making a wing with two humps.

Both statements are false.

Here's a good site explaining how a wing actually works:
www.amasci.com/wing/airfoil.html

Basically you can take the profile of a wing, figure out the curved center line of this shape, then pretend that you have a zero thickness plate of this shape. Now run this through the air, this plate deflects the air downwards, and it's this downwash that causes lift (old Newton was right about that every action has an equal and opposite reaction blah blah)

Now to apply this to kitesurfing, you basically have a big wing on the end of a string. As you move this through the window, the angle of attack of this wing relative to the wind changes... I could show you graphs of airfoils for various angles of attack but they're hard to read and boring. In simple terms, the bigger the angle of the wing to the airflow, and the higher the airspeed, the more it deflects the wind and therefore the more lift it creates. (Until it stalls, which is a whole different kettle of fish!!)

When it's in the middle of the window, this is where it deflects the air the most, so it's also the area where you feel the most pull.

Hope this helps, physics is a lot of fun, too few people really understand it. Including the guy in my local windsurfing shop who tried to tell me that the energy of my windsurfing sail gets converted into heat when my arms are bent, but not when my arms are straight... wtf?
GreenPat
GreenPat
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QLD, 4107 posts
17 Oct 2005 5:57pm
Ha ha ha, I love it everytime this topic comes up. This one time, on kiteforum, it almost ended in a fistfight. Maybe should put it on Jerry Springer?
paulio
paulio
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17 Oct 2005 6:27pm
Jerry Jerry Jerry Jerry Jerry
Stoojio
Stoojio
WA
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WA, 39 posts
17 Oct 2005 8:02pm
this topic could go on for eva but to put it simply,in the atmosphere there is air both at high and low pressure,each one produces a certain direction and speed of wind, now on the goldy we have the perfect scenario of westerly breezes which are formed by massive highs in the far north desert regions which i might add is the home to some very likeable folk commonly referred to as "desert dwellers" i hope i have been a massive help to you and made it easy to take in! if you need more info,pm me or i will be jumpin around on the sand @ "Loders" Ck or "shearwater" tmoro! i will explain some more.. bestest regards you're friend stoojio
anton
anton
202 posts
202 posts
19 Oct 2005 8:08am
Remember, if your not part of the solution - your part of the precipitate. Try this earlier topic...
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7906
...but then again you should of... crebinsky.com/


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