Normally I keep the peace at my local spot but what happened today, I feel I must spleen my disgust with the behavior of the idiot on the BLUE 12m Crossbow-2

If you are going to ride down at Melville show some respect and awareness to those around you - please refer to the WAKSA Safe Kiting Guidelines.

This would be interupted as not jumping next to leaners or in front of other kiters - you attempted this several times nearly knocking me off as well as crashing your kite ONLY a few meters away from several stationary leaners - this could of had the potential to be a lot worse than actually tangleing your kite amongst them.

Your skill level sucks to be attempting any maneuver so close to anyone let alone next to the shoreline. Feel free to ask me next where to kite and I be glad to tell you where![}:)]

Its these kinda posts that get a bit annoying.

The guy is ok, you are ok, the learners are ok. Maybe poor judgement, all got a scare, he apologises all is well no one hurt shake hands move on leave it there FFS

Sh1t happens.......

The guy has already apologised, no harm done.

We have all been learners at one stage or another and to a certian extent still are. Remember what you were like at 10 weeks in??

Give the guy a break

lets all have a giant circle jerk but mike has to be next to me hez my favourite

Just wrote a looong response and pressed ESC and it all disapeared. I guess that's what you get for drinking a bottle of rosé wine at 3 o-clock in the morning.

Basically I just wanted to say that this stinks. I have been in Perth a month and I have been kiting a handful times in Melville. I like it because it's a nice spot, the locals are friendly and it's not too hard to access without a car (yes I know I must get one). Anyway, the complaint is just soo uncalled for! We are all surfing because we enjoy the sport and think it's fun (hopefully). The day the start bitching about these things on and internet forum is the day you should quit cause I don't think you have that much fun on the water anymore.

I have seen some stuff that had made me curse a few times at Melville. People jibing without looking the other way, people jumping infront of me, had kites crash 1 meter from me (my frist time there ever), learners all over the place with their kites at 12o. But what's the ****ing use in complainging about this? You don't like the spot or the people there, just move to another spot man! Noone forcing you to be there and it's pretty big so there is actually room for all of us... And if you think there's someone there doing something wrong just tell him on the beach. Bitching about it on the internet is just the weakest thing ever.

I'll keep going to Melville cause I like the spot, the locals/people there are friendly and the conditions are OK.

Hopefully going there tomorrow if I get my new centreline. See on the water and stop ****ing bitching about stuff man!

/Dave. The Idiot on the Black & Blue Flexifoil Strike II

Oh forgot! If you wanna keep crying about this, talk to me/us/him/her on the beach instead. Just a word of advice...

Well said Poor Rellie, **** happens at all spots to all of us, all the time,

No-one got hurt, no gear busted, it hardly seems worth worrying about.

talk to the guy on the water first and if he gives you lip and is arrogant ect then maybe whinge about it on a forum but plz next time you want to bitch about someone go talk to them on water first.
only saying this because its a lot more productive then getting his back up by publicly saying he has no respect and displays disgusting behaviour.

Just out of interest -How many other crew out there actually think Bow kites ( i mean kites like the Airush Halo and Cabrinha cross bow - the 100% bow designs - NOT hybrids like Switchblade and flow / DNA) are suitable for beginners?



(i'm really really really really hoping this is only small numbers or we are doing a terrible job of educating newbies )

The only bows I would not suggest to beginners are the Halo and the Turbo Diesel. Both have a habit of falling out of the sky in inexperienced hands, but fair well in the hands of advanced riders.

The balance are suitable for beginners.

mattressbuster, you have tickets on yourself if you think bowkites are not suitable for beginners. How long have you been kiting? You should have tried riding early 2000 kites and previous! They had virtually no de-power! I totally say bowkites are good for all abilities... thats a yes vote from me!

Ok - now i m worried. If trying to make sure newbies are on the right gear is having tickets on myself then i am guilty.


I dont believe bows (I'm talking about 100 % bow designs - NOT hybrids or SLEs) are for advanced riders only - but definately intermediate status should be achieved before they are ridden.

Why? - look to the cause of this thread to find out!

To call a bow stable is to misunderstand the geometry of how a bow works - all that depower (see 3d rotation to get the canopy out of the wind) means that, as you hit max depower, you will reach a point where the kite becomes unstable

This is not a rant against bows - Bows are awesome for lots of people - especially those seeking maximum hangtime and windrange in one kite.


For the record Hybrids / SLEs are great for learning and will ramp up learning big time - as they give riders MOST of the wind range of a bow WITH the direct turning feel of a c kite and WITHOUT the tendency to invert as soon as tension is taken off the lines.

Once a rider has mastered one of these OR a c kite then they MAY be ready for a bow - but to sell these to beginners is to court disaster.

Taking the Cabrinha range -how is a beginner ending up on a crossbow when they would be FAR better off on a switchblade - I JUST DONT GET IT!

I would love to hear any kite instructors take on this situation.

Ive seen dozens of kiters learn to ride on crossbows - they are great for newbies, i dont understand where you coming from. The local school here teaches on both xbows and switchblades among others and is stoked with them.

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Originally posted by mattressbuster

Just out of interest -How many other crew out there actually think Bow kites ( i mean kites like the Airush Halo and Cabrinha cross bow - the 100% bow designs - NOT hybrids like Switchblade and flow / DNA) are suitable for beginners?



(i'm really really really really hoping this is only small numbers or we are doing a terrible job of educating newbies )

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sniff sniff i smell an airush add