Problem with foot pad/strap.

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Allkind
Allkind
QLD
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10 Mar 2008 10:06pm
I have a Naish haze 08 board and have only be riding properly for the last 3 weeks and am finding i am having trouble keeping my feet in the straps.
I am constanly adjusting the straps but just cant get it right!
I dont think it is the strap, i think it is the shape of the pad.
Has any one else had the same problem with this strap/pad combo or is it just me?

Any one suggest any other ones i could try?
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
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10 Mar 2008 11:33pm
Hey, I have an 07 Sol which has the same footstrap system. I have found that I was trying to set the straps too tight, as though it was a snowboard ankle strap. Make them a little looser so you can get your foot deep into the strap, and you curl your toes over the front edge of the pad. The ball of your foot will also sit on the lower front bit of the foot pad, which will also help you to keep the board on your feet. The strap should sit high on your foot, near your ankle not unlike the back strap on a snowboard binding. I had the same problem as you until I did this. It also helps when you have a minor stack and you can curl your toes hard to keep the board on your feet, rather than releasing it and having to chase after it.

I hope that helps!
Allkind
Allkind
QLD
54 posts
QLD, 54 posts
10 Mar 2008 10:41pm
Thanks will have to give that a try. Hopefully there will be plenty of wind again this weekend.
Skinner
Skinner
ACT
55 posts
ACT, 55 posts
11 Mar 2008 12:35am
Hey mate, I have the same problem - probably 50% of the time I land from a jump I lose or almost lost one of my feet, very frustrating. I was previously on an old Gaastra Skypro, but now I've changed to a Cardboard, much to my surprise I still find I have the same problem.

I think it is actually the shape of my feet - ie the top of my foot is too high, which means that it has to be too loose to get my foot right in, and then it is hard to hold on once there is movement. Come to think of it I have always noticed with shoes that the top of my foot is quite arched.

I was thinking I might have to go bindings, but I don't really want to do that. I'm still going to keep adjusting the straps (the cardboard straps have much better adjustment than my old one, so I'm still hopeful). The other thing I was thinking of doing was adding some rubber tube around the back of my ankle to help keep my feet in, I've seen people use that with some success before.

Sk
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
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11 Mar 2008 1:22am
I would think carefully about securing your board to your feet as that can pose a number of safety issues, for example if you accidentally go for a fly you can't just kick your board away, also if you stack and end up being dragged through the water you have a big drag on your legs which could force you to drink half the ocean, or worse, inhale it. Twisted knees and ankles could also result.

You just have to get the "grip the footpad with your feet" technique going. You sort of spread and curl your toes. As you get better you find you don't have to grip so hard, as the pressure through the footpad from edging the board keeps it on your feet. Its kind of like the technique you have to adopt to wear those leather Birkenstock sandals with the cork footbed.

Choady
Choady
NSW
72 posts
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13 Mar 2008 1:09pm
Skinner said...

The other thing I was thinking of doing was adding some rubber tube around the back of my ankle to help keep my feet in, I've seen people use that with some success before.

Sk


There are plenty of commercial kiteboarding ankle straps available from most kiteshops for about $20-30. They are fitted to where the footpads are screwed into the board. You just remove the screw, put strap on, replace screw and your done.

Ive never used them before but have thought about it a few times. A couple of the kiters who Ive spoken to that do use them swear by them. But as Lostinlondon says, there is some extra risk that come with them that you have to consider and accept. They are probably most useful when performing tricks.
Benny G
Benny G
VIC
29 posts
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13 Mar 2008 1:43pm
Hey, I also have a naish board and I also could not keep my feet in them so I got a pair of ankle straps for about the $30 mark and have not lookt back since I have been using them now for about twelve months and could not imagine kiting without them. As far as the board getting stuck to your feet and causing injury this has never happened to me not to say it cant happen. It does take a little longer to put the board on your feet but once you get use to it you will be fine, my opinion is to give them a go and they are cheaper then replacing the hole pad and strap. I do think that Naish do make a poor strap and pad as a lot of people who do have them seem to have the same problem of not being able to keep there feet in them.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
13 Mar 2008 12:01pm
I found the same problem when testing a few different demo boards a while back.
For me the problem was the angle that the strap was set at. When the straps were set more square off the edge of the board my feet tended to kick out. When the straps were on more of a splayed angle they were fine - for me.
Maybe yours is a different problem but maybe worth checking out
Aaron18
Aaron18
SA
80 posts
SA, 80 posts
13 Mar 2008 1:58pm
go have a look at those liquid force comp lace straps and pads u just hop in them and pull them tight like a wakeboard boot and i think ur feet mold into those pads
au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
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13 Mar 2008 12:37pm
I recently got a set of Dakine footbeds, they have a ridge along your toes so you can "lock" your feet in securely but still release really easily if you need to ditch your board.
They were about $40 and are well worth it as they're super comfy and absorb heaps of shock in choppy water, etc...
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
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13 Mar 2008 1:18pm
Found that softer pads dont give as much grip as harder pads, could be the problem.
Bit of a trade off I guess.
I can set my straps fairly loose and grip the end of the CORONATION ( pro) foot pad with my toes, unfortunatly they are not on offer on thier own as an accessorie.
and as I said, quite hard.
Ive found a few other pads similar in effect though, but every one just wants those big squishy pads now.
Knickers
Knickers
WA
257 posts
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13 Mar 2008 1:21pm
I have small feet and high arches and even with the strap high on my foot, at an angle to the pad, the smallest straps, and the toe curl technique I lost my board lots.
I have had the Liquid Force heel straps for all of this season now and it makes a lot of difference, tho in my experience the board still comes off fairly easily (including mid jump!) and I havent hurt myself yet. It does take a bit of time to get the board on, and I couldnt get it off quickly when trying to get onto the beach to chase after thieving bastards taking my gear bag , but better than a leash I reckon.

However, the other day I set a girlfriends board with heel straps made from sections of push bike inner tubes (as suggested elsewhere on this forum) and this seems just as good and a lot cheaper (Free!).
Oakie
Oakie
WA
268 posts
WA, 268 posts
13 Mar 2008 2:14pm
The best thing I found was to try to get the straps screwed to the narrowest fixing points (thats between the end of the straps), so the pads grip round the side of you feet as well as the top. This make a rediculous amount of difference.

Most pads are too wide to allow this and any with plates or bolting points are just way too wide, so I take a stanly knife to them. The last Dakine contour pads I fitted, I had to cut a section of the side out so they were about 30-40 narrower were the strap contacts to board.

harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
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13 Mar 2008 5:02pm
setting your stance to a "duck style" will help. I had the same issue before doing this and now no more

Also helps to achieve a good riding technique.

correct use of the pop when jumping will also help keep your board on.
Allkind
Allkind
QLD
54 posts
QLD, 54 posts
13 Mar 2008 4:58pm
I tried everything i could think of yesterday but still didnt have much luck. I have only started trying to jump and it has made it very frustrating. Its not just jumping though it is when ever the board leaves the water.
Might try some foot straps first, alot cheaper than new pads and straps.
Im no where near doing any board off tricks yet so hopefully by then i will be up for a new set and i will be able to hunt around to what best suits my foot.
Allkind
Allkind
QLD
54 posts
QLD, 54 posts
13 Mar 2008 5:02pm
anyone know where might be able to find them on line?
jkiter
jkiter
QLD
139 posts
QLD, 139 posts
13 Mar 2008 5:55pm
time to start riding bindings! load harder and land faster never with that dodgy boards coming off feeling.
Aaron18
Aaron18
SA
80 posts
SA, 80 posts
13 Mar 2008 7:05pm
can u explain how good wakeboard boots are like do have to be pretty good at staying upwind and is it hard to fly the kite while u put ur feet into them they would better for doing tricks and it is better to where a wake vest to right all do u just float
jkiter
jkiter
QLD
139 posts
QLD, 139 posts
13 Mar 2008 6:54pm
you want to be able to ride any conditions and stay up wind with no problems before going to bindings, will make life easier. there easy to get on, just sit your kite at neutral and put then on while sitting at the waters edge, or in the water. Ive never worn a vest not to say it wont help, but you dont need it.
bindings change the way you ride thou. theres alittle more weight off your feet so you sometimes have to throw move abit harder. and you generally need alittle more wind too.
but the good side is you can ride powered, throw powered moves with confidence, land hard and fast with no worries. if you into kiteloops or any passes or tech tricks it makes life easier cause you never have to think about your board at all. and if your coming in for a hard landing its fine your board is going to stay on your feet.
but that also leads to broken boards. most kite boards are weak as $#@% so you have to ride boards made for bindings. ie Liquid Force element..cab custom..sic boards.

hope that helps
Neill
Neill
VIC
484 posts
VIC, 484 posts
13 Mar 2008 7:58pm
man, just go to a bike store and get some mountain bike inner tubes. cut them to size and you're done. the amount of stretch they allow is perfect so that they hold your feet in nicely, but if you stack they will stretch out and allow your foot out nicely. i have been riding with them for 6 months now because i had the same issues as you (none of the straps/pads i've tried have gripped my feet well enough) and they are brilliant. you will not look back.

i've just started doing some boardoffs now too, so what i do then is just stretch the rubber tube back and tuck it under the rear of the footpad. easy and simple.
Aaron18
Aaron18
SA
80 posts
SA, 80 posts
13 Mar 2008 7:33pm
yer thanks when i get real good at staying upwind i will go to bindings for sure liquid force ones they sic so when u crash at real deep and dont where a jacket im a pretty good swimming but do u have to skull water or u float but with boots u cant use ur legs and u will be using ur arms to get the kite back up
jkiter
jkiter
QLD
139 posts
QLD, 139 posts
13 Mar 2008 7:13pm
nah no probs sinking. you float.
and kites now days there is no swimming to relaunch. pull 5th line or bow or hybred so launch from anywhere easy as.
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
13 Mar 2008 8:13pm
I just bought a set of liquid force luxuary foot pad/strap kit.
sooooooooooooooo comfy.
expensive but worth the overtime to pay them off for that soft but sercure feel.love em.
now all I need is some f**ken wind
Allkind
Allkind
QLD
54 posts
QLD, 54 posts
13 Mar 2008 10:20pm
I dont really want to go bindings. Not really interested in wake style riding, i want to be able to do big airs with board off etc. Just need to keep my feet more secure while i learn jumping.

So any one know where to get the heel straps from?
Knickers
Knickers
WA
257 posts
WA, 257 posts
13 Mar 2008 9:27pm
Make them from old bike tyre inner tubes (the thicker ones). Easy.
Allkind
Allkind
QLD
54 posts
QLD, 54 posts
13 Mar 2008 10:39pm
I am after a proper set, nothin against tube ones just prefer something designed for that purpose.

gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
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13 Mar 2008 9:59pm
I agree with lostinlondon, don't nail your feet to the board....causes severe injuries, ankles, knees, feet..you name it.

You must think of a board more like snowboarders and skateboarders. By learning to ride "loose" you will become a better kiteboarder IMO. Having your feet "feel" the pressures properly balanced is different, but keeps you on the water longer

But I guess at the end of the day, it is each to their own....for me it is about proper balance.
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
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14 Mar 2008 3:28am
I must admit, I had some problems early on with my feet coming out of the straps, but that I think is overcome whe you stop trying to steer the board with your legs, and lead from your head, just like when you learn to snowboard, you turn your head to see where you want to go, and your body (then your board) follows.

If you start trying to drag the board around with your feet, they start popping out.

Its all about being smooooth (well for me it is).

As you put more pressure over your back foot and get more resistance from your board, the less chance you have of your feet slipping.

Also, as the Naish boards are built like snowboards now, I reckon you have to ride them more like snowboards rather than a buoyant foam core board.
Tony M
Tony M
NSW
15 posts
NSW, 15 posts
14 Mar 2008 10:59am
I had the same problem, but now I use the dakine raptor heel straps: http://www.kitepower.com.au/catalog/product_17258_Dakine_Raptor_Heelstraps_cat_355.html

They work perfectly, I've used them on liquid force pads & now on my cardboard pads. Wouldn't bother with the tyre tube when these are only $25.

I find I can ride a lot better by locking my feet in solidly. If you've ever ridden in a good set of wakeboard bindings you will know the difference it makes.

I also think you have less chance of injury by keeping your feet locked in. Having one foot slip out in the air while the other one stays in can spell trouble. And on a heavy fall the board will still come off my feet with the heelstraps.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
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14 Mar 2008 12:33pm
People, you can use heal straps if you insist but you DO NOT need them. The reason your boards are coming off is down to technique and setup only.


POP : you must use the pop correctly the pressure on the board from the water means that the board is pushing against the sole of your feet effectively keeping the board on during take off. ( if you try to jump without popping your board will often stick to the surface and your feet will come out usually resulting in you spinning about .5-1m above the water travelling in a horizontal direction instead of going up..... sound familiar ? )

Stance : Go for a wide duck ( not pigeon ) style stance this will help drive your feet into the straps again helping to keep your board on.


jkiter said...

time to start riding bindings! load harder and land faster never with that dodgy boards coming off feeling.


Have to disagree jkiter Ruben Lenten does not ride with bindings and if anyone lands consitently harder or faster than him, ill eat my lines. Dont even think Hadlow wears bindings either. At least not in Andy Gordons vid.

Spookyluke12
Spookyluke12
QLD
120 posts
QLD, 120 posts
14 Mar 2008 8:47pm
Had the same problem with my naish pads and straps. My feet were coming out often and they never felt sercured. I bought myself a set of nobile pads and straps and they work fantastically. Cost me $120.00, and was they work very well. I wasn't big on the idea of not being able to get my feet out if needs be either. These pads have an arch in the pad so the arch of your foot has something to mould to. They are the best option I've found, and I'm sure you can see them online or on the current nobile boards too.
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