Pt Henry - New Fences and Restricted Access

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Chris-H
Chris-H
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24 Sep 2007 1:33pm
Hi there

Not sure if anyone is up to speed onthis but access to kiting at Pt Henry is being restricted by new fences and gates erected recently. You now cannot get to the usual launch spot at the South end. I met a Parks guy there who said more fences and gates will also be erected at the actual point. Apaprently this was 'signed off' by local kiting groups??? I asked one guy who's kited there for years and thought this was bs.

anyone got any info on this?
Karve
Karve
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24 Sep 2007 1:51pm
This is the intended plan www.geelongaustralia.com.au/error_oops.aspx?ec=404 . I just found it on the council website

It looks like there is going to be limited parking. already the southern end is blocked off with parking for about 6 cars which means a nice walk with all your gear to an area where you can launch ok.

The north end on the plan looks a nightmare once they start putting the fences up. I think acces may be severely limited in the summer.

I had no idea that this was in the pipeline. it might be worth asking Goshen at kitepower to see if he knew anything about it as I am not sure which kiteing groups agreed with it.
Chris-H
Chris-H
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24 Sep 2007 2:06pm
I launched from the new little carpark at the south end. At highish tide you've got no beach. I had about 3 feet as the tide was still coming in. Its an absolute nightmare there with 1 kite let alone a bunch. Only option is to walk up to the old spot (further south) but thats a major pain in the arse.
frant
frant
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24 Sep 2007 3:38pm
I have spoken to Cameron and got him on the case. The City of Greater Geelong person is Mat Jackman, I am waiting on a phone call and explanation but feel free to complain direct. The ward councillor is Rod McDonald. Will advise contact details for him to let him know our feelings. BTW I trust that you kite flyers intend to observe the 5 knot speedlimit for 200 metres from shore as depicted in the new sign at Point Henry.
goshen
goshen
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24 Sep 2007 4:45pm
This is worrying... In Feb, I forwarded a rather detailed submission to the Sustainability Officer of the Geelong council who oversees the management plan. They released the draft plan of their proposed management plan early this year. Sorry to be brief, i'll make some enquiries and provide some more info.
RAL INN
RAL INN
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24 Sep 2007 6:27pm
Appears pretty straight forward.

there will be a carpark for about 20 cars back at the base of the downhill access road amongst the trees there.

Gear will have to be carried the rest of the way. so make plans to get there early for a park and keep vehicles locked and secure.

I wonder just how far this Masterplan deviates from Goshen's submission?
Surfer62
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24 Sep 2007 5:28pm
The sky's falling

<<<<<<< two hot Pt Henry locals Koil and Kev after hearing the news.
ice
ice
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ice ice
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25 Sep 2007 7:35pm
The plan doesn't look too bad to me. 20 car parks and a grassed area between the car park and the point for kite set up.

junglist
junglist
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25 Sep 2007 8:18pm
Great, another stoke of total genius! So they can preserve stink weed, dog turds and condoms.

Whoever 'signed off' to this DID NOT speak for us all and DID NOT consult us all. Where was the public announcement? Why not post on this site?

ice
ice
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ice ice
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25 Sep 2007 8:49pm
Yes it does seem to be a waste of money.

I can't imagine it will attract many new visitors. Plenty of other better and more scenic locations near Geelong.
BoDiddly
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26 Sep 2007 10:35am
Yeah can't say I'm too pleased about this proposal.
Sure I can understand the need to maintain it, but what's the point of restricting access for a bunch of people who are keen on their sport, that has pretty much zero environmental impact?

I remember seeing the gates go up around the south car park, what exactly is the point of restricting car access to the original point?

20 spaces at the north point should be OK I guess, considering how many cars were out there on Sunday the 23 this month, I’m guessing that the ‘new’ car park will be full to the hilt!

I’m all for conservation of Point Henry but when the Geelongaustralia site states
quote:
The Point Henry Foreshore Management Plan has been developed to ensure that the long-term management and vision of enhancing the natural beauty, biodiversity, historical importance, cultural heritage and the community enjoyment of the foreshore reserve is maintained.
I struggle to understand just what the natural beauty is? – this isn’t the prettiest place to hang out, What the biodiversity is – are they insinuating that there is life at this point? Sure there was a seal there like 16 months ago or whatever, but urchins as a result of the warm water coming from ALCOA, yeah, let’s preserve that. And I may be missing something here, but the historical importance is?!
harry potter
harry potter
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26 Sep 2007 12:39pm
I smell that familiar smell,
When council members / public servants decide they have slacked off long enough and that they may soon be taken to task about their lack of production and asked " what they have contributed to the local area " by their collegues.

Solution : They find a "pet project" something which will look good in photos and when presented in the council chambers but with minimal risk of creating a problem amongst the areas constiuents. ( a few dog walkers and kitesurfers may be put out but thats it)

Then they roll out all the councils favourite phrases and words to justify the money they will spend on the " pet project "such as :

"preservation of the area"
"Biodiversity"
"Community enjoyment"
"Historical importance"
"Cultural Heritage"

and my favourite in this case
" enhancing the areas natural beauty "
what a F*#ing joke are these people blind, maybe alluminium afficinados may find " natural beauty in the area " but I dont see to many people filing off busses for group photos.

But this is the point the council does not really give a rats as junglist said :
quote:
Great, another stoke of total genius! So they can preserve stink weed, dog turds and condoms.

Whoever 'signed off' to this DID NOT speak for us all and DID NOT consult us all. Where was the public announcement? Why not post on this site?


So it would seem that the council did not even consult the main users of the area no suprises there because they dont really care as long as the proposal looks good at the next meeting.

Another example of the council not consulting the users of the area is the new sign showing the " 5 knot limit within 200m from the shore " again a total waste of money. Cant ever remember seeing anyone swimming at Pt Henry who's interests are they protecting.

The fact is the area is well out of the way and is really an industrial area no matter how much grass you spread or how many trees you plant and the fact that the seabed is covered in sea urchins makes the area unwelcoming for swimming so I cannot picture hordes of families decending on the area for a day at the beach.

I am all for having a nice grassy area to set up kites, but limits on parking and water speed restrictions clearly show the councils ignorance and lack of community consultation.

But every council does the same thing !



ice
ice
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ice ice
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26 Sep 2007 3:58pm
I am pretty sure the new sign at Pt Henry does not state 5knots within 200m. It does show a specific area on a map that is limited to 5 knots. That specific area is along the shore line and around the point. I can't see anything that states this specific area goes for 200m from shore.
BoDiddly
BoDiddly
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26 Sep 2007 4:54pm
Next time I'm out there I'll take a picca and post it here eh!
junglist
junglist
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26 Sep 2007 6:29pm
Ok lets break it down!

"preservation of the area" Preservation of what exactly, sand? urchins? weed? There is over 11,000 miles of coastline surrounding this country, surely the money is better of spent elsewhere.

"Biodiversity" Come on, lets be honest Pt Henry is not Cape Tribulation now is it? So what 'biodiversity' are we talking about here?

"Community enjoyment" Ok so thats a big fat fail on this issue as most of the community enjoyment at Pt Henry is by....Kite Surfers, who BTW do not seem to be enjoying these proposals at all.

"Historical importance" Excuse me while I fall off my chair! I mean COME ON! did the First Fleet stop here? Captain Cook perhaps? Or was this where Ned Kelly used to take a swim?

"Cultural Heritage" I am quite speechless on this one other than to say that none of the above seemed to make a difference to the local council when they decided that an aluminium smelting plant would be a good idea for the area. Or would that be more to do with the lining of counsellor's pockets?

No perish the thought!
RAL INN
RAL INN
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27 Sep 2007 8:20am
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27 Sep 2007 9:24am
Maybe its more about Alcoa trying to keep an evironmentally "nice" image, all the while their plants in the area (coal and power plant at Anglesea) spew lots of noxious gases and other pollutants in the local area.

Anyway, who are we, just a few kitesurfers? Best you guys all stop complaining and joing the Geelong and District Kite Club and elect a dilpomatic well spoken leader to represent the cause a bit more.
Knowing the area as I do, I reckon you have buckleys hope of changing the plans very much anyway. The most you can do i reckon is to stop any claims by green lobbyists that the kites scare the wildlife (yeah what wildlife), maybe get a slight bigger carpark, maybe get keys to gates for club members, maybe get rid of stupid speed restriction signs?

Better to join forces and get active than rant on here and look for a scapegoat to blame.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
Surfer62
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27 Sep 2007 7:40am
This is a link to the sign erected at pt henry (nth) by Parks victoria.

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=6219

Good news, the Torquay crew have in fact recently started a local kiteboard club - "Torquay Kiteboarders" just for this purpose, to have a "voice" and "representation" in the Geelong and Surfcoast areas and to also facilitate a social base for kiters, We are concerned about further limitations being placed on kiters along the coast. The club is to be associated with Kiteboarding Victoria. Credit to Aaron (@ Stonker)for getting it up and running. Any interested kiters can send me their email address and I will get Aaron to add you to the club emailing list for information about the club and the next meeting.

I agree with Steve, there is no scapegoat and the reality is that we have a lot of unkited bayside and ocean beaches to explore and enjoy.

Chill out the sky isn't really falling

frant
frant
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28 Sep 2007 1:52pm
quote:
Originally posted by ice

I am pretty sure the new sign at Pt Henry does not state 5knots within 200m. It does show a specific area on a map that is limited to 5 knots. That specific area is along the shore line and around the point. I can't see anything that states this specific area goes for 200m from shore.


Marine Board of Victoria regulations stipulate the 5 knot speedlimit within 200 metres of the shoreline (all watercraft and all shorelines), it is just that the sign implies that specifically kiteboarders are watercraft and that these limits apply at Point Henry. Will policing of speed limits be next? Bear in mind that a windsurfer has been pulled up by Police on jetskis at Point Henry and given a warning that wearing of lifejackets is compulsory more than 300 metres offshore. A wetsuit meeting certain bouyancy criteria is adequate for less than 300metres from shore. Kiting is going to be stuck in a 100 metre band 200 metres offshore and who is kidding who if you think that at some stage an overzealous "official" is not going to enforce that.
On the parking/access front I think that the council might review the situation. Probably pay the kiters to have some constructive input.
elmo
elmo
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28 Sep 2007 12:23pm
Just make sure you don't wear your Port Adelaide jumpers there after this Saturday

It may be classed as a touch antagonistic after the Cats choke on a hair ball
frant
frant
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28 Sep 2007 2:27pm
quote:
Originally posted by elmo

Just make sure you don't wear your Port Adelaide jumpers there after this Saturday

It may be classed as a touch antagonistic after the Cats choke on a hair ball


Just how does one report offensive comment to Laurie
elmo
elmo
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28 Sep 2007 12:32pm
quote:
Originally posted by frant

quote:
Originally posted by elmo

Just make sure you don't wear your Port Adelaide jumpers there after this Saturday

It may be classed as a touch antagonistic after the Cats choke on a hair ball


Just how does one report offensive comment to Laurie



junglist
junglist
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701 posts
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1 Oct 2007 2:20pm

Ok after the knee jerk reaction!

I was down at Pt Henry last weekend and took a look at the new sign there and its kind of changed my mind on the issue.

What becomes apparent is that the sign is actually warning other beach users of the potential dangers of kiting to the uninitiated. Sure there are a few rules for us to observe but they are basically just good sense that we all should be observing anyway.

In effect Geelong Council has legitimised Kite Surfing as the primary recreational use of Point Henry and this can't be a bad thing for us. There have been many posts on this site about kiting being banned from areas all over the country, in such an atmosphere possibly seeing our sport given recognition is a victory of sorts.

Could be that more 'official' designated areas like this is just what we need.

Cheers
NSW, 4382 posts
2 Oct 2007 9:45am
I had not clicked on the link to the sign until just now.
Wow you guys have wond a major victory for kitesurfing, seriously!
To have the council put references to kitesurfing on the sign sets a great precedent, and legitimises the sport in the area.

Sure there are some restrictions, but the area ia recognised as a kitesurfing spot, so look after it and be grateful kitesurfing was not banned!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
Surfer62
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3 Oct 2007 6:24am
Just a minor clarification, the area is controlled by "PARKS VICTORIA" not geelong council, we can thank Parks Vic for the signage. The sign's wording describing the area and kiting can be easily read on the link below. I agree with Steve, its a win in the acknowledgement stakes.

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=6219

And what an epic session we had on Monday
NSW, 4382 posts
3 Oct 2007 12:27pm
Love the avatar mate, I have a slack cat like that, or rather I belong to a slack cat like that!
Keep the lines of communication open with Parks Vic and GCC, its a real win/win to get recognition.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
inout-inout
inout-inout
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3 Oct 2007 11:34pm
bringg on more kiteloops at P/H WOOT
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