Rashies for learners ??

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darrylhaddy
darrylhaddy
NSW
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29 Nov 2012 8:10pm
Recently I have been helping my daughter out with lessons.Obviously as a kiting beginner she became quite nervous with kiters ripping it up around her. We ensure we made the effort to get clear and downwind of most riders but it does become an issue getting clear of everyone.
My question is would it be possible through the AKSA or the kite schools to promote having a designated coloured flouro rashie or similiar to identify the kiter as a learner. It could have several benefits in not only people giving the noobie a wider berth it may also help with safety aspects if they find themselves in a mess launching and riding and experienced kiters being the friendly folk they are may be able to assist.
Would be happy to here if this is done already at any locations and as usual I am behind the times ! ??
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
29 Nov 2012 5:19pm
Thats a great idea!
Akwa
Akwa
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
29 Nov 2012 5:33pm
Yeah I think this is a good idea but then there are a few other questions:

What is a high enough skills level to not wear a learners rashie anymore? going upwind?

Do you decide yourself when you do not need the rashie anymore or do you have to go through a certain test to test your skill level?

Should these rashies be provided by schools as part of a lesson package?

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All and all though I think its a brilliant idea!!

fookiter
fookiter
WA
14 posts
WA, 14 posts
29 Nov 2012 6:00pm
good idea!! especially for those busy days

maybe a hi vis helmet since newbies spend a lot of time in the water

i would have worn one till i was confident with upwind, controlled stopping and right of way kite positions
eibwen
eibwen
WA
116 posts
WA, 116 posts
29 Nov 2012 7:10pm
This sounds like some thing the government would do if they were in control and to get off your P's you would have to pass a test ! upwind ? maybe .. give way rules more so !

Good idea i guess but hardly going to be enforced or taken up because no one wants to be singled out.



Hybrid_Z
Hybrid_Z
VIC
382 posts
VIC, 382 posts
29 Nov 2012 10:33pm
Akwa said...
Yeah I think this is a good idea but then there are a few other questions:

What is a high enough skills level to not wear a learners rashie anymore? going upwind?

Do you decide yourself when you do not need the rashie anymore or do you have to go through a certain test to test your skill level?

Should these rashies be provided by schools as part of a lesson package?

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All and all though I think its a brilliant idea!!






When the learner is comfortable with their abilities around other kiters they would just take it off. Its just a way of showing "hey im a noob, please give me some room and help me out if im noobing it to the max."

Think its a good idea, learning was intimidating.
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
1100 posts
NSW, 1100 posts
29 Nov 2012 10:45pm
Can't see Aksa taking it up.

I think you should just designate a colour yourself and spread the word as much as possible and hope people are listening and it catches on. Good luck mate!
JimJones
JimJones
QLD
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QLD, 237 posts
29 Nov 2012 9:52pm
Fellow Aussies. We dont need to wait for the government, or regulation, or the police, to make a rule or enforce something, before it happens.

Just encourage people to do it of their own accord. I would have loved wearing a beginners shirt, and getting even more help.

AKSA could recommend a color, and people could choose to wear it. Yellow?

You dont need rules about licensing to progress, or any of that. Taking responsibility for myself includes letting others know I'm a beginner, and being ready to listen to advice.
Chris_M
Chris_M
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29 Nov 2012 8:06pm
I'm really impressed that the majority of posters so far are supportive of this idea. To be honest I was expecting the grumpy buggers to have written it off by now!

I tend to agree with the idea - no licencing or anything needed, just noobs self-identifying and as a result everybody benefits. Perhaps the only official stuff needed (which could happen in due time) would be to get IKO and BKSA etc to accept a particular colour as the noob colour so they can promote the idea during lessons.

Cheers
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
29 Nov 2012 8:55pm
In my opinion, a helmet with a bright floatation vest is enough to identify anyone as a beginner, not to mention it keeps the learner safer. Most advanced kiters I know will stay way clear of anyone wearing helmets and floatation vests, it's just common sense.
Akwa
Akwa
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
29 Nov 2012 9:03pm
Chris_M said...
I'm really impressed that the majority of posters so far are supportive of this idea. To be honest I was expecting the grumpy buggers to have written it off by now!

I tend to agree with the idea - no licencing or anything needed, just noobs self-identifying and as a result everybody benefits. Perhaps the only official stuff needed (which could happen in due time) would be to get IKO and BKSA etc to accept a particular colour as the noob colour so they can promote the idea during lessons.

Cheers


I guess yellow would just be the most noticeable but i don't think it would be the easiest colour to find in the shops.

Unless someone will actually takes it on themselves to produce 1 kind of special Noob rashies I think it might be hard to get everyone to wear the same colour. Unless instructors would highly recommend them wearing a certain colour for a while.

All and all it will need to be wide spread and accepted by all, how are you going to do that without the help of special organisations?





nice logo on the back ?
darrylhaddy
darrylhaddy
NSW
10 posts
NSW, 10 posts
30 Nov 2012 12:31am
Chris_M said...
I'm really impressed that the majority of posters so far are supportive of this idea. To be honest I was expecting the grumpy buggers to have written it off by now!

I tend to agree with the idea - no licencing or anything needed, just noobs self-identifying and as a result everybody benefits. Perhaps the only official stuff needed (which could happen in due time) would be to get IKO and BKSA etc to accept a particular colour as the noob colour so they can promote the idea during lessons.

Cheers


I agree-steer away from any regulatory stuff. If it could start through the kite schools and be promoted through IKO then gradually the word would spread. It hopefully becomes accepted as part of your kit as a learner. I don't think there would be too much opposition from a noob being afforded the extra space or a helping hand.
ceej
ceej
QLD
30 posts
QLD, 30 posts
29 Nov 2012 11:46pm
Great Idea.Give me one
Akwa
Akwa
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
29 Nov 2012 10:25pm
so where to start?
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
30 Nov 2012 12:00am
A few years back there was a similar thread to this one. Except in place of the rashie, a small flag/ribbon attached to a line of the kite.

Then they are visible from a distance, and when bodydragging (maybe hidden behind swell) can still be identified as a beginner.

I would have loved something like that when I was learning.
Ellobuddha
Ellobuddha
NSW
625 posts
NSW, 625 posts
30 Nov 2012 6:28am
Dawn Patrol said...
A few years back there was a similar thread to this one. Except in place of the rashie, a small flag/ribbon attached to a line of the kite.

Then they are visible from a distance, and when bodydragging (maybe hidden behind swell) can still be identified as a beginner.

I would have loved something like that when I was learning.


I reckon this is the go. A yellow flag with and L on it on the lines.

They do a similar thing in Boracay with kites as they are supposedto pay some rego/tax to government or similar. They stand out well.

Great idea.
jleeee
jleeee
QLD
32 posts
QLD, 32 posts
30 Nov 2012 12:47pm
I reckon a helmet would be the way to go! When I was younger I wore a yellow helmet(enforced by my mum) every time I went for a kite, and to this day people still remember me and my yellow helmet..

They are far more visible then a rashie in my opinion, especially if you're spending a bit of time in the water more so then up on your board.. Not only helps identify learners but keeps you that extra bit safe as well (:

I think it's a great idea!

Shane10
Shane10
QLD
102 posts
QLD, 102 posts
30 Nov 2012 1:09pm
As a beginner I admit I wouldn't have worn one. Why? Cause I'd probably fell like a bit of a wanker when I put one on. I hate drawing attention, that's the reason why I don't wear yellow shirts down to the shops.

It's a good idea in theory, but I bet if L plates on cars weren't mandatory they wouldn't be used as frequently. Something on your line, like a telltale, would be the only viable option I could see.
juicerider
juicerider
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
30 Nov 2012 11:38am
Sounds like a good idea, but at the end of the day, the only people that cant spot a Newbie a mile off are other Newbies.
If people are not giving your daughter space now, I doubt a coloured rashie will make any difference.
Best have gentle word with the idiots getting to close to her, it should not happen. I've noticed when Im teaching my son's, people do give them more space, which is great. No reason they should not be doing that where you are too.
Hope it does not put her off.
sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
30 Nov 2012 1:14pm
sweet, I will certainly wear one and have the place to myself
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
30 Nov 2012 1:41pm
I think its a really good idea. Having recently graduated from newby status, I would have been more than happy to have had a way of letting experienced kiters know I was a hazard. In lessons its not so important as you have an instructor looking after you.

Its that phase when you first start heading out on your own, that it would be a good thing.
THE DONG
THE DONG
VIC
518 posts
VIC, 518 posts
30 Nov 2012 5:57pm
Always good to be throwing ideas out there but i dont think it is necessary. More experienced kiters should have the awareness of knowing who is a learner by the kiters body language.

As a rule i stay clear of anyone in the water who isnt up on their board. A rule with kiting is the same as driving a car. Never assume the other drivers know your there or know how to drive properly that way you avoid incident.

The vests wont make a difference as the people who kite too close to others wont give a **** whether you are wearing a vest or a yellow flashing light on your head.

DSA
DSA
9 posts
DSA DSA
9 posts
30 Nov 2012 4:21pm
The Dongs on the money.Learners are easy to spot through body posture , kite control and there is more than one person in the water. What is really needed is for experienced riders to stop posing to the noobs and just give them more room.
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