Rebel Wind Range

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cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
18 Jan 2007 9:09pm
Yes another question regarding kite size wind ranges - going to buy a rebel tomorrow because the rhinos another two weeks before they hit the shop and who can wait that long!!! Anyway still can’t decide the 10 or 9. Anyone out there about 72 kilos and ride something around 122cm could tell me the low end of holding ground of either kites. I have been told the 9 rebel hasn’t got the low end of the 9 meter switchblade 1 that I just sold. I would prefer the 9 meter because of turn speed but the winds I ride in are at most 17 knots with 25 knot gust - except when it really really blows - Well the average is not as good as Perth that’s for sure . I will be riding as well in waves on my surfboard so I imagine the 9 would be better? Anyhow keen for any users thoughts on wind range for the two kites. I am leaning towards the 9 but just need more comfirmation from other users its the right size!

Thanks peeps!
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
18 Jan 2007 9:55pm
You would be fine on a nine....and a bit better on a 10. Better to be over than under so i would probably edge for the 10
GranG
GranG
WA
260 posts
WA, 260 posts
19 Jan 2007 1:53am
i found the sb to be more bottom end than the rebel, and the rebel more forgiving at the top end... the 10m (lack of better comparison) sounds your choice... 1m is going to make little difference


I think this posting should be under "Gear reviews?"
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
19 Jan 2007 3:07am
weigh 84kgs and never felt comfortable on a switchblade/crossbow when unhooking. One thing North states is they rate their kite sizes on actual surface area Note: surface area does not necessarily indicate power. My new 12m kite has superb light wind performance. To get technical, I believe it is probably due to reduced strut diameter and the faster flying profile, which will reduce drag and therefore when used correctly and flown fast, give you more apparent wind speed. the 10 or 9 wont make much difference as already stated. What is your real question? If it is something along the lines of waves are your thing and you dont want to sacrifice power for turning ability of the kite for downwind wave riding, I can promise you this will not be a factor going from a pulleyed bar system to a 1:1 ratio as a 12m rebel turns faster than a 9m switchy/crossbow. You'll love the change, just remember to fly it lower than what your used to.
If you dont like it I'll buy it off you!
em
em
318 posts
em em
318 posts
19 Jan 2007 9:02am
Cwamit
I'm 1m65 and something like 60kilos +/- and I the top end of my Rebel 12m is 35 knots (I don't really recommend doing it, and people shouldn't take it for granted that 12m2 in 35 knots is OK but with the Rebel, in Sydney's wind, I'm still holding on... (and I also insist that 35 knots in Sydney aren't the same 35 knots in WA due to air temperature/humidity, bla bla bla)). My wind range for my 12m in Sydney's wind is 15/35 (could take it out in lower, as I got it to still fly in 5 knots, but it's just no fun...). That's just so you can find a matching scale for WA as I have no idea how powerful the wind is over there.
I usually see people starting going for a smaller rebel size (9 or 10m) from 25/30 knots (there again: in Sydney...).
9m or 10m doesn't make a huge difference (the Rebel has so much depower!)so I'd say it depends on what bigger kite size you've got, and what wind range you're trying to cover. If your other kite is a 12m Rebel, I'd say go for a 9m as the gap between 12 and 10 might make them overlap a fair bit on their wind range...
Also, according that you want to use it in waves, you might as well go for the 9m, but there too, the Rebels all turn already so quick that you shouldn't feel that big of a difference.
The last thing I'd take in consideration is your weight: according that you're a fairly light guy, I'd say go for the 9m, just to have more top end...
Hope this helps, I wouldn't worry too much about 1m2 difference tho.
you're welcome to PM me if you have any further question....
Em
PS: Personally... I think you should have been patient another 2 weeks...I've fallen in love with North last newborn... :-)
(just teasing: the Rhino doesn't have the depower and turning speed of the Rebel, so you're still going for the right tool for waves, I reckon...)
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
19 Jan 2007 9:45am
thanks dudes and danes, will get the 10 going off turning speed comments and its depower! Cant wait!!!!!

And dave my real question was.. I want a single kite that does everything and makes me look good doing it .
mattressbuster
mattressbuster
WA
177 posts
WA, 177 posts
19 Jan 2007 10:08am
60kg rider, 12 m Flat kite in 35 knots - hmmmmm....35 knots is 35 knots anywhere - i knopw crew that would be using a 4 in that sort of wind..
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
19 Jan 2007 10:33am
Wind density makes a big big difference hey, even though Perth wind is brilliant (think yesterday had my best sesh this season) I am finding it hasn’t got the grunt like esperance wind seems too... yesterday was a prime example 22 knots peaked with 30 knot gusts and no worries with the power on my kite where on occasions in the colder westerly in Esperance I am battling to hold on sometimes in just 18 knots to 25 knot gusts on the same kite. This is what can make kite size selection so tricky when buying!!!! Arggg maybe i should go for the 9?

If your in same area as em well then just ignore my ignorant but valid point and you two can debate the merits and claims of whatever you want!

As poor relative said and most experienced riders would agree I imagine one would rather be overpowered than underpowered any day... I know I do – and I am not even experienced!
mattressbuster
mattressbuster
WA
177 posts
WA, 177 posts
19 Jan 2007 11:27am
most of the good riders are actually avoiding going out lit like crazy so they can land tech tricks or get loose wave riding. 20 knots and its 9s and 7sin the surf here in WA - maybe 12s and 10s in the freestyle areas like woodies

It seems to be the beginner - intermediates that enjoy experimenting with how lit they can go out.
em
em
318 posts
em em
318 posts
19 Jan 2007 1:03pm
Mattressbuster

"60kg rider, 12 m Flat kite in 35 knots - hmmmmm....35 knots is 35 knots anywhere - i knopw crew that would be using a 4 in that sort of wind.."

No, 35 knots are NOT 35 knots anywhere...
Back in Egypt, where the air was dreadfully dry and hot, we couldn't keep a kite up in the air under 15 knots... People shouldn't rely on their windmeter to choose their kite size....
The QUALITY of the air changes it all. The more humid the air is, the colder it is, the more powerful it gets. Air density does affect the punch of your wind heaps... Ask people who kitesurfed in England! :-)
So definitely no, 35 knots in Sydney are not 35 knots in WA... (Based on what I've read on the forum (haven't been there) you guys get a way more powerful wind than we do over here....)
I wouldn't call the Rebel a flat kite.... (it's NOT a bow...) And I did acknowledge the fact that I'm a nutcase and that it isn't advisable... But you eventually got to check what's the top end of the kite, no? :-)

"most of the good riders are actually avoiding going out lit like crazy (...)It seems to be the beginner - intermediates that enjoy experimenting with how lit they can go out."

Never said I was any good... I'm not!
I have a dodgy knee that likes to let me down every so and then, lower back problems and a stupidly breakable body, thanks to 5 years of calcium deficiency when I was a kid, that make that I can't go hardcore on tricks (or I end up looking like a puzzle and giving up my entire season:no point...).
In my particular situation, big air is the way around...
I wish I could do unhooked tricks and more hardcore moves, ride my surfboard longer than 40 minutes without being in pain, but I can't... So I look at the bright side of the situation, and just enjoy going up, up, and higher up...
Hope this possibly explains you why I like to ride overpowered: I'm not saying at all it is the right thing to do, it's just how I get my thrill... :-)
mattressbuster
mattressbuster
WA
177 posts
WA, 177 posts
19 Jan 2007 2:09pm
nothing wrong with goin for big air- still alot of fun!
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
19 Jan 2007 9:58pm
Everyone has said it already but just to confirm.

The rebel 10 meter is one sweet f*&king kite!

Also got a great deal at wsp - thanks reg!
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