Rotator Cuff (shoulder) injury

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sandgroper
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7 Mar 2007 6:45pm
I recently developed a minor shoulder injury from too much not enough kiting and thought I'd share this link for the benefit of others experiencing pain at the shoulder joint.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotator_cuff

Its known as Rotator Cuff injury, and is the sort of pain that keeps you up at night, but wont necessarily stop you going kiting by day.

Its not the same as RSI, as Rotator Cuff injury involves physical damage to the tendons.
Spacemonkey!
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7 Mar 2007 8:58pm
I tore my deltoid about a week ago and a half ago, it freakin sucks. Still painful to lift my arm above my head, only 9 days to nationals as well.
colinwill78
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7 Mar 2007 9:32pm
quote:
Originally posted by sandgroper



Its known as Rotator Cuff injury, and is the sort of pain that keeps you up at night, but wont necessarily stop you going kiting by day.






keeps you up at night hey?
might as well go for a kite then

(he he he)
puppetonastring
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7 Mar 2007 8:06pm
quote:
Originally posted by colinwill78
keeps you up at night hey?
might as well go for a kite then



ROFLMFAO - funniest ever
GreenPat
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7 Mar 2007 9:54pm
quote:
Originally posted by puppetonastring

quote:
Originally posted by colinwill78
keeps you up at night hey?
might as well go for a kite then



ROFLMFAO - funniest ever



hehehehehehe....
silviu
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7 Mar 2007 11:50pm
Did you ever had the shoulder dislocated?
I just had re-constructive surgery for traumatic rotator cuff injury, in between the oter damage I was able to self inflict to myself when I dislocated my shoulder in December.
I think the best bet is to see an orthopaedic surgeon specialised in shoulder injuries.
This does not mean you have to have surgery, but he will get you assessed and may recommend specific physioterapy.
I wish you good luck, 'cause I know the bloody pain, especially when you lie in bed and all the muscles are relaxing, thats exactly when the pain kicks in.
In the mean time, I find out that for short time, the Voltaren Gel may get you comfortable enough to fell asleep.
Some cold pack may help too.

Cheers,

Silviu
silviu
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7 Mar 2007 11:58pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

I tore my deltoid about a week ago and a half ago, it freakin sucks. Still painful to lift my arm above my head, only 9 days to nationals as well.



Yor best bet, get cold packs at least twice a day, that may help reducing the sweling in the injured area, reducing the pain and increasing the blood flow.
The first 48 hours after the surgery I had fitted a cold shoulder "shield", having chilled water flowing through it. That helped reducing the swelling and easing the pain.

This is what is recommended:

As with all muscle injuries, R.I.C.E. is the modality recommended by MDs, Physical Therapists, Athletic Trainers, and Chiropractors.

R=Rest I=Icing C=Compression E=Elevation

* Rest means stop doing any exercise or movement that causes pain. Pain is an indication the muscle tears are not healed and the tears are increasing.

* Icing numbs the area to decrease pain and also constricts the blood vessels to minimize swelling and bruising. Never ice for more than 15-20 minutes at a time as over icing will produce a different injury to the soft tissues.

* Compression also limits the swelling.

* Elevation doesn't really apply to the shoulder except when bending over or lying down. When the torn muscles are below the heart, more blood and serum can accumulate, increasing swelling and throbbing.

Cold compression therapy is very useful for all muscle tears and strains as it reduces pain and swelling. Using a cold compression therapy wrap for 15 minutes before sleeping can aid in reducing the pain which causes a restless nights sleep.

Good luck at the nationals, however do not stretch the muscle too much, it may give up again, and the second time is really painfull.
Skid
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8 Mar 2007 12:35am
Sandgroper,
I had a similar injury a few years ago and put up with it for way too long. I mentioned it to a friend who was a doctor and he ended up giving me a steroid injection (deep) into my shoulder and the problem went away.
The only regret was not getting it done sooner. It may be worth a trip to your local GP if you haven't already been.
sandgroper
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7 Mar 2007 11:56pm
quote:
Originally posted by Skid

Sandgroper,
I had a similar injury a few years ago and put up with it for way too long. I mentioned it to a friend who was a doctor and he ended up giving me a steroid injection (deep) into my shoulder and the problem went away.
The only regret was not getting it done sooner. It may be worth a trip to your local GP if you haven't already been.



Steriods eh? But wouldn't that mean I couldnt enter the olympics....

Oh well, off to the quack I s'pose.
Spacemonkey!
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8 Mar 2007 1:44am
Yeah man been seeing the chiro a couple times a week, been getting Ice, electrotherapy and that sorta gear on it. GOnna start me with some excersises to build it up a bit before nationals. And its all good cause i get it cheap being a chiro student
Gstar
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8 Mar 2007 12:24am
HaHaHaHaHa LOL.
DAVES'a'****
Nice one Cyril. It's about time someone gave him a bit of 'nip/tuck'.
Looks better for it too
[}:)][}:)][}:)]
sandgroper
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8 Mar 2007 1:06am
I remember CB radio. Lots of kids and childish interuptions to your QSO.

I've still got my CB. Its real quite now. Absolutely pristine. The kids eventually got sick of harassing people actually enjoying the CB a long time ago.

This forum is a bit like CB in the early days Eventually the kids will get sick of harassing people actually enjoying the forum.
sandgroper
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8 Mar 2007 9:15am

BTW, the kids got off the CB after the novelty wore off in about mid 1980s. This was at least 10 years before the Internet took off.
robbo1111
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8 Mar 2007 11:24am
Know exactly how you feel sandgroper. I've got the same problem with my left shoulder. Doesn't impede my kiting or windsurfing but hurts like hell at night and plays havoc with my golf swing. Have had a reconstruction on my right shoulder several years ago but wouldn't recommend that to anyone. I think the steroid solution is probably best or a winter lay-off.
cRAZY Canuk
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8 Mar 2007 2:20pm
Need to be carefull with some of the injections they give you they can actually lead to more trouble down the road
sandgroper
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8 Mar 2007 12:49pm
quote:
Originally posted by cRAZY Canuk

Need to be carefull with some of the injections they give you they can actually lead to more trouble down the road


Agreed. Must admit I dont really trust quacks anymore. Certainly not the drug pusher variety.

I'm told you can do an excercise that helps. Bending over and let your arm dangle loose. Then swing it around in large circles. Apart from that you've got to stop the activity that caused it until it heals. Looks like I'll be in pain for another month or two.
sandgroper
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8 Mar 2007 12:51pm
Hmmmmm.... Looks like someone got deleted. I wonder how that happened.
cRAZY Canuk
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8 Mar 2007 2:58pm
Rest and phsical training is what is needed. Muscle pain a joint dilocations are due to lack of strength or imbalance of the mucle groups. Well except some dislocations there just nasty I don't recomend them to any one have had my share.

Best thing to do is go see a physo, preferably one that deals with national teams for cricket (bowlers), waterpolo or vollyball, as they have to know a lot about shoulders. They'll be able to asses your shoulder and give you a work out routine for it. Unfortunetly kiting is like any other high impact sport. If your not physicaly fit (to some degree we're not look for toned body's well maybe on the girls we are ) your going to sustain more injuries and muscle pains than some one who is. This applies to every part of the body you jest need to find the right specialist.
xshore
xshore
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8 Mar 2007 11:55pm
I did mine 5 years ago by having the kite lines in a mess from crashing in the surf. On arrival to the beach I stopped to undo the leg rope from my board and looped my kite down the beach stickking my arm out to stop the fall (as I had already broken the other shoulder snow boarding). Bang rotator cuff and very painfull.

Remedy was an X-ray, quarter zone injection and then 4 months of slowly excersizing the shoulder back in condition with light weights and excersizes. It's all good now but I'll never forget the 4 days of pain before the injection.

Advice: See the best Doctor you know and do what they say to get back out riding soon.

Cheers

Glen
cRAZY Canuk
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9 Mar 2007 12:48am
I hate to say this but Quarta Zone is one of the mentioned injections that can have adverse effects on legaments down the track. I can level with you on the pain I've done both shoulders (my right one 3 times and is looser that a girl in the cross).

Pain is your body telling you not to use it and unfortunetly is a natural response from your body. Doing in your shoulder is 2 weeks of pain (and morphine ) and I was told in the states (did the left shoulder is Cali) that the pain is only surpassed by a dislocated hip. Never want to try it.

I'm not saying drugs aren't the answer and am no means a expert on the subject, but make sure you check it out for your self. Google is a great place.
tha doctor
tha doctor
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9 Mar 2007 11:07am
I've recently had a rotator cuff injury diagnosed in my right shoulder and it sucks! 10 weeks of no kiting... Means i miss the Nationals, Tannum and the Mackay Queen's Bday comps.... You need to go see your GP and get a referral to get an ultrasound which will reveal any tearing of the rotator cuff. Best case scenario, like me you will have only torn the muscles that form the rotator cuff (i've torn the supraspinatus and subscapularis) and not the cartilage. A cartilage tear will normally mean a shoulder reconstruction. I'm getting a single cortisone steroid injection directly into each tear next week which my physio said will speed up the healing process as long as i stick to rehab exercises and don't try and push the injury. Cortisone will most likely alleviate your pain so you can go back to kiting, etc again, but this will not allow the tear to heal properly, will promote the formation of scar tissue and most likely result in another tear further down the track. I'd also recommend seeing your physio for an appropriate rehab program, which will no doubt involve alot of exercise with a theraband.

Hope this helps,

Matt
Simon.
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9 Mar 2007 12:22pm
Hello

The correct protocol for this type of injury is to see your GP who should really refer you for an X-ray and U/S of your affected shoulder. The X-ray will likely show no injury however there are some bony factors that can predispose this type of injury and need to be ruled out.

The U/S is the modality that will likely reveal the injury, the two most common being bursitis or are an actual tear of one or more of the rotator cuff tendons.
Bursitis can generally be treated with a single shot of cortisone “combined with rest” and a good result expected.

If you are unfortunate enough to have a tear, cortisone on its own will not remedy the problem as it is not treating the actual problem only reliving the pain. More often than not a tearing injury is made worse with cortisone because although one now feels no pain one starts doing silly things again with their injured shoulder before it has actually healed in some cases resulting in a more serious injury.

Cortisone at the end of the day is like air freshener, a temporary fix. If the actual problem isn’t fixed things are going to keep on smelling.

Depending on the grade (partial/full thickness) of the tear one should really go back and see their GP and discuss getting an orthopedic opinion. This is your only option if you still have symptoms and no injury is discovered on the XR or U/S as you will likely then need an MRI which only a specialist can order. An MRI can actually see inside the joint and reveal injuries that an U/S cannot.

Another option is to take you XR U/S reports to a physio and discuss possible treatment options.

PS Unfortunately rest is often the best medicine
silviu
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9 Mar 2007 2:30pm
Guys,

I just had, last night, my first appointment with the Physio after the reconstructive surgery two weeks ago, and I can tell you it is not fun. The guy was very "enthusiastic" in getting my "old bones" moving, I ended taking some painkillers and cold packs all night. However, today it looks a huge improvement in he range of movement, although still sore.
The best treatment for rotator cuff injury is... to prevent it!
I know it sounds dumb, but this all i can say at the moment.

Cheers.
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