Rotto Crossing

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sanamarco
sanamarco
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
15 Oct 2007 7:39pm
Hey WA/Perth Riders,

I'm really keen to do the rotto crossing this summer (once i get in proper shape) but would like to know if there is any info about making the journey??? Who has done it, did you have boat support, were you able to get on a ferry to come back over, did you have any problems???

Let me know???
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
15 Oct 2007 8:22pm
I havnt't done it, but you would definately need boat suppport. Its a long way, and if you get into a pickle, you'll need a way out. You won't be changing direction either, so you would have to be strong with that.
It would be a big accomplishment if it is done.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
15 Oct 2007 8:40pm
Need permission from Freo Port Auth. and more.........but it has been done numerous times.....must have been at night when nobody could see.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
15 Oct 2007 10:14pm
quote:
Originally posted by Dawn Patrol


It would be a big accomplishment if it is done.



Mega Achievement, would most likly be my idol.
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
WA, 498 posts
15 Oct 2007 8:51pm
Hey,

I tried to organise this as an event last season, but we could not get all the necessary approvals. It was organised once before by youngy, but the wind didn't blow.

It is very dangerous (but it has been done). You do need approval from a number of agencies, but as some advice before you even try for approval you will need:
A support boat that can handle the conditions (remember it is the open ocean, and it will be windy, they need to be able to rescue you if things go wrong)
Flares, PFD Type 1, and I can't quite remember the rest, but search the dpi website for the rules for personal water craft operating in water more than 400m from shore, www.dpi.wa.gov.au.

Oh, and don't think you'll easily get away with it, the relevant agencies are well aware of people trying the crossing and will stop you, so follow the law. They use the Pilots, Freo VSRG, Water Police and RIA to pull up illegal jet ski's all the time.

If you can't be bothered getting approval, don't do it! You'll only screw it for all the rest of us!

One day...
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
15 Oct 2007 11:56pm
Hi guys,

Not sure but I think you need permission from the Fremantle Port Authority Harbour master and also the Rottnest Island Authority. You need to carry flares 1 x Hand Smoke (orange) 1 x Hand Flare (Red) 2 x Parachute rocket flares, a VHF or 27 mhz marine radio, a PFD Type 1 life jacket meeting AS 1512 and you must have an accompanying support boat fitted with all equipment necessary for offshore voyages. Good news is you don't need EPIRB because the crossing falls within the gazetted Metropolitan area of not requiring EPIRB.

You will cross a major shipping lane which is one of the major problems for the authorities and I think the one the will prosecute you on. It is rumoured that the man will confiscate your gear when you are caught as well as slam you with a hefty fine.

Ian Young is away for a week or so and will be able to fill you in for sure on his return.

I have a boat able to make the trip and is perfect for kite rescue, but it's a rough crossing and wouldn't be much fun for me. I've been across in a boat the same size as mine in 25+ knots and it was the worst crossing i've ever made from Rotto. Soaked to the bone and frozen.

Stick to coastal distance runs,

Good winds,

WAKSA
WAKSA
WA
813 posts
WA, 813 posts
16 Oct 2007 9:02am
Hi aspiring Rotto kiters,

As you can see from the previous posts a Rotto crossing has been in the hearts and minds of WA kiters for years. Unfortunately the maze of authorisations and saftey/logistical hurdles have prevented it happening for the last few years.

Because we all aspire to do a longer more challenging downwind run than the usual impromptu downwinders we arrange when we get to the beach, WAKSA is staging a 'Long Downwinder' from Leighton to Trigg on Sunday 28th October (back up date 18th November in case of a poor forecast). Full events details at:

http://waksa.org.au.86.aspwebhosting.com.au/Events_view.aspx?Eventid=13

The event is free to all current WAKSA/AKSA members, renew or become a member at:

waksa.org.au.86.aspwebhosting.com.au/login.aspx

We'll meet at Trigg at 12pm (daylight saving starts on Sunday 28th so a later start is better), we'll bus everyone to Leighton, the bus will do a half way stop at Swanbourne for those getting tired, and then we'll all meet at Trigg at the end for a BBQ.

It's not quite a Rotto crossing but it's a good start; a sea of kites stretching along a good portion of Perth's coastline!

WAKSA's strategy is to raise the profile of kitesurfing as a sport over the next 2-3 years by delivering a range of well organised events in high visibility locations in order to position kitesurfing as a sport worth the big sponsorship dollars needed to stage major events like a Rotto crossing.

See you all on Sunday 28th and keep the Rotto dream alive!

Your WAKSA crew
sanamarco
sanamarco
NSW
68 posts
NSW, 68 posts
16 Oct 2007 3:39pm
Thanks for all the info guys, unless i round up a big crew of people interested in it, i don't think I'll do it....just too much of a hassle to get it done legit.

Massive downwinders are a good time though and i am well keen for the one WAKSA has planned. Too bad the season opener one didn't work out, hopefully we have better luck with this next one.

Cheers,
Lofty
Lofty
WA
87 posts
WA, 87 posts
16 Oct 2007 6:12pm
why not a crossing from say woodies to Garden island.
most of the beaches on garden island are accesable too the public by private boat.
coreyb
coreyb
WA
463 posts
WA, 463 posts
16 Oct 2007 7:56pm
I did a trial crossing with Youngy the year he organised it. It took just over an hour and yes we did have a back up boat. There were four of us and when your out in the middle with the boat watching someone else, you realise if something was to go wrong you would still be up against it. The four of us were well spread out by the middle.

I have heard of certain people doing the sneaky run sucessfully. Its all good until something goes wrong. Even with a few people, youd be lucky to save each other.

Id say if your really keen to do it, either risk your life and do a sneaky, or get in with WAKSA and try again to get it off the ground.

The year it was all go the wind came in at Rotto, but didnt make it to the coast. Murphies Law rules again.
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
WA, 498 posts
17 Oct 2007 7:28am
Just to be clear, when we applied for approval last year, it was clear that we would not "ever" get approval for an event. This decsion was made by the most senior person in the particular orgnaisation. So don't expect it will be easy to get approval.

WAKSA listened, we had a red hot go and we were stopped at the last minute by the ultimate authority.

As for Garden Island (I also discussed getting approval for this), it has the same rules, it's just a little further out of the way.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
17 Oct 2007 9:47am
Hey Ian,

That ones easy to get around, we just need to ride 3.8m long boards

Good winds,

kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
17 Oct 2007 6:05pm
um, well this is to be kept quiet but as it is you can kite from rotto if you have a flare and life jacket as the laws everyone is reading from are for motor boats, sailing craft are far less restricted but having said that you would have to be an idiot to test your limits with your life at stake. so if you want to do it have a chase boat thats sea worthy enough for you to struggle to keep up with it, a boat over 25 foot and capable of over 30 knots but smaller than 30 foot would be the go if it was skippered by a kiter as well.

if you dont think you could get on to the boat in heavy seas and kite still attached to you then its a silly idea.
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
17 Oct 2007 8:19pm
So do you think your dad would let us borrow his boat Dave? I'll ride over, being a natural foot, and you can ride back
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
17 Oct 2007 7:48pm
i wouldnt want to support illegal activities... openly on a forum
msn time
mrjf
mrjf
WA
94 posts
WA, 94 posts
17 Oct 2007 8:01pm
have kited there and back.only took about 1.5hrs one way..pretty easy.there were three of us.no boat but did have radio just in case.left from sth freo beach and then had beer on island then kited down to scarb...saw few boats doing the crossing but no one bothered us...had bag with pump in it and bag ripped and lost pump but nothing serious..will be doing it again this summer for sure...
dustin
dustin
QLD
448 posts
QLD, 448 posts
17 Oct 2007 11:16pm
barely know anything on the issue but fom this website it seems that people are allowed to swim across!?

rottnestchannelswim.com.au/

If they allow people to swim why not kites?
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
18 Oct 2007 6:36pm
dustin - The channel swim get a special events permit each year - similar to the one that Brooksey tried to get for WAKSA.

mrjf - it's probably guys like you that made the authorities kill off WAKSA's attempts to get this event up and running again for everybody
mrjf
mrjf
WA
94 posts
WA, 94 posts
18 Oct 2007 9:28pm
guys like you....get a life...how did my kiting over there get the application from waksa refused.....i had flares .life vest and marine radio..
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
18 Oct 2007 10:49pm
mrjf - because it's still ILLEGAL even with all the safety gear in the world.

The authorities don't want to approve a special events permit because they're worried that people may think it's legal and do what you have done.
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
WA, 498 posts
19 Oct 2007 6:59am
Youngy's right even with a flare, radio, pfd, etc it is still illegal.

Do us a favour don't do it and we might actually get it off the ground in the future, so everyone can do it!
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
19 Oct 2007 10:32am
quote:
Originally posted by GreenPat

So do you think your dad would let us borrow his boat Dave? I'll ride over, being a natural foot, and you can ride back


quote:
Originally posted by kitecrazzzy

i wouldnt want to support illegal activities... openly on a forum
msn time



We are joking of course.
sirwaxalot
sirwaxalot
2 posts
2 posts
10 Nov 2007 11:22am
its a long and boring ride stick to the coast thats where all the waves are . maybe you should try the back of garden island, start at point peron and finish at woodies as for rotto go buy a boat or catch a ferry then you can drink piss on the way home.
rastazungu
rastazungu
QLD
42 posts
QLD, 42 posts
14 Nov 2007 3:48am
The challenge of long crossings have been done in the past whether there were laws in place or not. It is in my opinion the purest free form of sailing that you can do with a kite. Just look at Hawaii. I really feel that people let others decide what's right for them by persuasion. The pioneers and discoverers just let the idea transform itself into a reality by doing it through pure curiosity and a sense of adventure of the unknown. If you undertake a feat where risk is involved, sure something could go wrong but we take risks every time we get into a vehicle and drive for 1000's of km across one of the harshest environments on earth, but it isn't illegal. Damn! There is more chance of getting lost in the red centre than Perth to rotto. Go figure!
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