Rusted screw? What to do?

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Underoath
Underoath
QLD
2434 posts
QLD, 2434 posts
2 Oct 2011 9:05pm
Having a ball today out at Dog beach booooooosting!!!!(hero) - stacked a jump and was dragged...(noob)

What resulted was the side of one strap getting pulled of my board. The two stainless screws failed.

The problem I'm facing now is the bolts joining the straps to the twin tip are not stainless and have rusted.....I cant undo the bolts joining one to the other....

has anyone had this problem or recommend a solution?

I have tried wd40, they are lock tight!

Some awesome rep want to give me a cheep board? Your company logo would look great 30 foot in the air.

SugarQube
SugarQube
WA
490 posts
WA, 490 posts
2 Oct 2011 7:59pm
Underoath said...

Having a ball today out at Dog beach booooooosting!!!!(hero) - stacked a jump and was dragged...(noob)

What resulted was the side of one strap getting pulled of my board. The two stainless screws failed.

The problem I'm facing now is the bolts joining the straps to the twin tip are not stainless and have rusted.....I cant undo the bolts joining one to the other....

has anyone had this problem or recommend a solution?

I have tried wd40, they are lock tight!

Some awesome rep want to give me a cheep board? Your company logo would look great 30 foot in the air.




Well 30 foot isnt that much, show me 60 foot and Ill think about it

nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
2 Oct 2011 8:15pm
In order of frustration:

Penetrene/PBBlaster and let it soak overnight
use the correct size screwdriver applying loads of force downwards
Try tightening it slightly as well as loosening it
Judicious taps with a hammer on the end of the screwdriver as you try to undo it
Dremel the head so that you can get a flat screwdriver into it
More Penetrene
Dremel the head off so you can get the strap off
Apply heat to the thread
Vice grips on the thread, closely followed by...
Snap the rest of the thread off flush with the bolt
Swear loudly
Dremel the rest of the thread flat so you can then...
Drill a small hole through the bolt
Ezy-out
Snap the ezy-out
Cut the kn nut out altogether and glass a new one in

djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
2 Oct 2011 11:26pm
^^^ Gold. Words that can only come through bitter experience.

So learn from the mistakes of others and let the penetrene soak for a few days. During this time give the heads of the screws some light taps, vertically and from all sides using a punch to access them. Definitely try loosening and tightening them. Anything to get the slightest bit of movement, then more penetrene. If a few days of this doesn't work then don't stuff about with ezy-outs, just grind/drill the heads off the screws, pull the straps off, grind the screws down to the board and put your new straps on in the adjacent set of inserts.

I've seen tall guys using narrowest stances and short guys using widest settings so you can easily get used to a slightly wider/narrower stance.
Underoath
Underoath
QLD
2434 posts
QLD, 2434 posts
3 Oct 2011 1:20am
nebbian said...

In order of frustration:

Penetrene/PBBlaster and let it soak overnight
use the correct size screwdriver applying loads of force downwards
Try tightening it slightly as well as loosening it
Judicious taps with a hammer on the end of the screwdriver as you try to undo it
Dremel the head so that you can get a flat screwdriver into it
More Penetrene
Dremel the head off so you can get the strap off
Apply heat to the thread
Vice grips on the thread, closely followed by...
Snap the rest of the thread off flush with the bolt
Swear loudly
Dremel the rest of the thread flat so you can then...
Drill a small hole through the bolt
Ezy-out
Snap the ezy-out
Cut the kn nut out altogether and glass a new one in




You Sir deserve a green thumb
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
3 Oct 2011 3:31am
Use a cordless impact drill/driver,works a treat you can get the perfect amount of downward force and can give the screw a few zaps in both directions to free it up,have pulled out badly cross treaded and rusty screws with one of these.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
3 Oct 2011 5:35pm
nebbian said...

In order of frustration:

Penetrene/PBBlaster and let it soak overnight
use the correct size screwdriver applying loads of force downwards
Try tightening it slightly as well as loosening it
Judicious taps with a hammer on the end of the screwdriver as you try to undo it
Dremel the head so that you can get a flat screwdriver into it
More Penetrene
Dremel the head off so you can get the strap off
Apply heat to the thread
Vice grips on the thread, closely followed by...
Snap the rest of the thread off flush with the bolt
Swear loudly
Dremel the rest of the thread flat so you can then...
Drill a small hole through the bolt
Ezy-out
Snap the ezy-out
Cut the kn nut out altogether and glass a new one in




lol gold!

Been there, done that...
seafever17
seafever17
WA
360 posts
WA, 360 posts
3 Oct 2011 11:15pm
nebbian said...

In order of frustration:

Penetrene/PBBlaster and let it soak overnight
use the correct size screwdriver applying loads of force downwards
Try tightening it slightly as well as loosening it
Judicious taps with a hammer on the end of the screwdriver as you try to undo it
Dremel the head so that you can get a flat screwdriver into it
More Penetrene
Dremel the head off so you can get the strap off
Apply heat to the thread
Vice grips on the thread, closely followed by...
Snap the rest of the thread off flush with the bolt
Swear loudly
Dremel the rest of the thread flat so you can then...
Drill a small hole through the bolt
Ezy-out
Snap the ezy-out
Cut the kn nut out altogether and glass a new one in

By this stage you have at least caught the fleshy part of your hand between your thumb and index finger in between the vice grips handles or skinned 3 knuckles when they popped off. Deeps skins. The kind that make you "muther trucker" 6 times.
Tense every muscle in your body to vein bursting levels and yell so loud that it near gives the dog a heart attack and he bolts out of the shed.

Listen for echo of yell as it circles the globe.

Yell again in disappointment.

For everything.

Look at your now mutilated board and realise that after what you have done to it you are now too embarrassed to even take it to a shaper to fix.

Start calling your self an idiot.

Again

AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
3 Oct 2011 11:32pm
Hi Underoath,

An easier fix is to simply drill out the old bolt with a 4.5mm drill bit. Make sure you drill it dead centre and keep the drill perpendicular to the board. Be careful and take your time. You want to drill out the bolt body to the diameter of the valleys (narrowest width between the thread pitch in the screw.

Once you drill it out, get yourself an M6 intermediate tap and slowly, using penetrene, tap out the rusty thread which will be stuck in the helicoil insert. The insert should be fine as it is hardened steel and wont cut from the tap, the soft steel screw will give and align the tap with the thread and you can then clean the insert with a finishing or bottoming tap to complete the job.

Go slow and advance a quarter turn, then back the tap out 1/2 a turn before advancing another 1/4 turn <repeat>

DM
Gstar
Gstar
WA
391 posts
WA, 391 posts
4 Oct 2011 8:51am
See your mate with a welder. Place an 8 mm nut on top of the srew head, 1 spot weld. Apply spanner. Done.
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
4 Oct 2011 11:57am
I had the same problem when trying to change my straps - I cut the straps away, then applied WD40 to the screw, then turned the board upside down and clamped the screw in a bench vice. Crank it up nice and hard, then spin the board around the screw. Worked for me and I didn't tear the inserts.


djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
4 Oct 2011 3:34pm
Many good ideas eh. Seabreeze at its resourceful best.
DaCurls
DaCurls
WA
134 posts
WA, 134 posts
4 Oct 2011 1:44pm
just drill through the board and stick a bolt in, takes 10 seconds
xshore
xshore
NSW
267 posts
NSW, 267 posts
4 Oct 2011 8:22pm
TIP: Be very carefull not to apply too much heat otherwise you may find the insert starting to spin in the core of the board when trying to remove the busted piece of crew from the board. Go easy and carefully is the way to go, if drilling file the remaining bit of screw flat first and centre punch then drill a little bit at a time, don't rush for the best result.

Good luck
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
7 Oct 2011 1:18pm
Gstar said...

See your mate with a welder. Place an 8 mm nut on top of the srew head, 1 spot weld. Apply spanner. Done.


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