Safety suggestion-Keep chicken loop on your harnes

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bigmark100
bigmark100
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18 Jan 2008 7:46pm
Recently there was a fatality in Egypt - speculation is because of a jammed safety release......

I have just started doing this, and think its quite a good idea, unless someone can tell me otherwise.

When packing up my kite, I pull the chicken loop quick release ( I have a Cabrihna - I dont think this matters too much) so that the chicken loop stays on my harness - hooked in.

The benefit to this is that I am getting to regularly pull my quick release , which is making me more aware of where it is and how it works - and that I am ensuring that it is not clogged up with sand and salt. ie it works!!

Another bonus to this is that when I roll up my lines - I dont have a chicken loop to get in the way of things on the bar - so its much tidier.
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
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18 Jan 2008 8:27pm
up there for thinking bigmark.I pulled my safety apart last night and it was that full of salt and sand I wonder if I got in the s##t if it would have worked.

MagicMike
MagicMike
WA
210 posts
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18 Jan 2008 6:47pm
excellent topic several times i have pulled my safetly and i have had to punch it to release. before i launch i pull my release and re-set it just to be safe.
lotofwind
lotofwind
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18 Jan 2008 9:03pm
I havent had 2 use mine in along time(touch wood)so tend to come complacent about checking it.specially when the winds up and are keen to get out there.

But after seeing how seized up with sand/salt it was, Im going to check it everytime.could be a life saver,literally.

The stupid thing is,just before I launch I stop for 5sec and think and do a double check in my head that lines are good,at good angle to wind,no one in the way and look at my saftey re-lease so Im ready to hit it if needed ect.Not much use though if it is stuffed up with crap and dosent work.
GreenPat
GreenPat
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18 Jan 2008 8:17pm
I have a slinghsot bar, the quick release works fine and often, whether I want it to or not [}:)].
lotofwind
lotofwind
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18 Jan 2008 9:24pm
GreenPat,I can lend you some of my hardend sand/salt build up if you like,should clog it up nice and tight.
dachopper
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WA
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18 Jan 2008 7:46pm
good vibe.... but why not just engage it to put your kite down? then you will know it works with the kite in the air and pressure on the lines?
sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
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18 Jan 2008 8:00pm
Somehow i am not entirely confident with the Naish set up and the velcro strip in the sleeve
I thought the airush set up look like it would be a lot easier to access while in panic mode.
Unfortunately my kite is a naish
xtortya
xtortya
WA
322 posts
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18 Jan 2008 8:09pm
naish safetys are good, i've pulled mine a couple of times...once under preasure and it released without a drama.
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
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446 posts
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19 Jan 2008 12:31am
My safety is a pain in the ass, its the TD2 safety release so its on the chicken look (that little red knob). It's so annoyingly sensitive that I've fallen onto my board and had it release just from touching the board... then got a taste of unhooked riding... while trying to reset my safety release at the same time, I did a few kiteloops while holding on and had awesome fun .

At least in a real emergency the effort required to let go could be exerted by a mouse.... that helps.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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18 Jan 2008 11:00pm
dachopper said...

good vibe.... but why not just engage it to put your kite down? then you will know it works with the kite in the air and pressure on the lines?


Because it will often leave a lovely knot to unravel. Just what i want to do after a 3hr session.
dave......
dave......
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19 Jan 2008 12:14am
Good advice, some Q/R's are a little prone to "getting sticky" after a period of inactivity.
Most practical thread in ages.
GreenPat
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19 Jan 2008 8:55am
Jimmyz said...

My safety is a pain in the ass, its the TD2 safety release so its on the chicken look (that little red knob). It's so annoyingly sensitive that I've fallen onto my board and had it release just from touching the board... then got a taste of unhooked riding... while trying to reset my safety release at the same time, I did a few kiteloops while holding on and had awesome fun .

At least in a real emergency the effort required to let go could be exerted by a mouse.... that helps.


It seems you have the same QR as myself young padawan. I haven't actually used it purposefully yet. Isn't it great fun trying to reset it as you're being slowly pulled offshore at Woodies north? I ended up having to duck my head underwater as well to see it as I couldn't do it by feel alone.

I like dachopper's idea though, I have gotten so used to just unhooking and dropping the whole bar on dodgy self landings, but I might try this next time.
echostorm
echostorm
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19 Jan 2008 9:32am
Very good call... I wouldn't go far as far hooking it to my harness (kinda limits the unhooked stuff) however it is essential you check it at the start of each session (or as aforementioned at the end with tension on the lines) -> at least every 5-10 sessions with tension.

If you know your gear you will know if it will work regardless of testing it with tensioned lines provided you are inspecting and checking it at the start of a session. (I also do a mental exersize at the start of a session where I practice reaching for it as quick as I can 10 times). You will be amazed how long it takes if you havent done this in a while compared to doing it every day. Your brain needs to repeat something 6,000 times before it becomes a reflex so you do the maths.

I had a pretty bad accident the other day, and if I couldnt release my safety I probably would have been a lot worse. In the surf I always have my safety leash hooked up to my chicken loop. This way when you hit your safety you only have to hit ONE and not two. That split second between a wave hitting your kite and releasing your kite is all it takes when the surf is big.

Be safe.
stamp
stamp
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19 Jan 2008 11:23am
GreenPat said...

Jimmyz said...

My safety is a pain in the ass, its the TD2 safety release so its on the chicken look (that little red knob). It's so annoyingly sensitive that I've fallen onto my board and had it release just from touching the board... then got a taste of unhooked riding... while trying to reset my safety release at the same time, I did a few kiteloops while holding on and had awesome fun .

At least in a real emergency the effort required to let go could be exerted by a mouse.... that helps.


It seems you have the same QR as myself young padawan. I haven't actually used it purposefully yet. Isn't it great fun trying to reset it as you're being slowly pulled offshore at Woodies north? I ended up having to duck my head underwater as well to see it as I couldn't do it by feel alone.



by shortening it you can tighten the shock cord on the slingshot QR so that it takes a bit more force to activate.
i ended up screwing it shut permanently with stainless self tappers and buying a surefire spreader bar with a QR hook instead

Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
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20 Jan 2008 5:19pm
Ok went out today at narrabeen... and AGAIN... the SAME thing happens, the flippin safety touched my right arm (not even having a grip on it) so just my swinging arm and releases... oh and guess what the flipping clip on the safety had somehow come off the kite (possibly being hit by a big wave earlier... no idea how really) I am 100% sure that I clipped it on beforehand, sometimes the clip doesnt like swinging closed (it brand new pretty much ). Kite got wrenched outof my hands and sails off into the water.

My god... I was swearing at my leash ... I am now certain that the safety system is made for f****** hamsters. So I may just give shortening it a try.

Oh and just to make my day, somehow my chicken loop came off my harness while I was riding at a wave, never had it happen before.

I couldn't say that none of this was due to me being careless, but holy crap... that kite didnt like me today
robbo
robbo
WA
306 posts
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21 Jan 2008 2:48pm
ive seen quite a few ppl who had the old "loop over the pin safety release" get into trouble; while its not loaded up, you can pull the pin no probs.

as soon as the kite is dragging you through the water and all you want to do is pull the safety pin - you quickly find that the added pressure on the pin is too much and you would have to be super human to pull it out.

anyone with a safety like this should really test it out under load with lots of down wind water space.

i quickly changed to the velcro type system instead.
puppetonastring
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21 Jan 2008 3:38pm
bigmark100 said...

Recently there was a fatality in Egypt - speculation is because of a jammed safety release......


Another chance for me to plug my favourite hobby horse. The best safety innovation in kiting since letting the air out.
SlingShot Surefire Spreader Bar.
One touch QR to your kite leash thats always right there, always in the same place, always requiring the same action no matter which or whose kite you are flying or what is going wrong.
Bloody Brilliant.
AND - its gotta be the simplest possible re-fit of any QR. One handed hit and its back in place then you just hook back in - its that easy.
AND - you can practice hitting it everytime you kite. Dont unhook when you land - just hit the button. A great way to get it to be an instant impulse reaction.
AND - it comes with its own donkey dick (well more like a chicken dick really) which is completely one-touch optional - at any time - on the fly.

You can never be certain of anything being a 100% guarantee but IMHO every kiter should use one.
I wouldnt leave home without it.

{edit}
Did I mention it is also a has a built-in, fully spinning kite leash cw a 2nd & last resort QR?
No?
Well it does.
lex123
lex123
NSW
511 posts
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22 Jan 2008 1:03am

Jimmyz said...

Ok went out today at narrabeen... and AGAIN... the SAME thing happens, the flippin safety touched my right arm (not even having a grip on it) so just my swinging arm and releases... oh and guess what the flipping clip on the safety had somehow come off the kite (possibly being hit by a big wave earlier... no idea how really) I am 100% sure that I clipped it on beforehand, sometimes the clip doesnt like swinging closed (it brand new pretty much ). Kite got wrenched outof my hands and sails off into the water.

My god... I was swearing at my leash ... I am now certain that the safety system is made for f****** hamsters. So I may just give shortening it a try.

Oh and just to make my day, somehow my chicken loop came off my harness while I was riding at a wave, never had it happen before.

I couldn't say that none of this was due to me being careless, but holy crap... that kite didnt like me today



Geez jimmyz, iv ot a 06 td and iv never had any of this happen. Iv had to pull my safety in an emergency as as long as theres tension in teh lines, it work great. I did buy this kite second hand and the previous owner might of tweaked it a bit though.
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
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22 Jan 2008 1:27am
Nar, I'm 100% sure that in an emergency it would work... it just requires such a light force to open that I've had it release by accident several times
echostorm
echostorm
QLD
1245 posts
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22 Jan 2008 9:48am
lex123 said...


Jimmyz said...

Ok went out today at narrabeen... and AGAIN... the SAME thing happens, the flippin safety touched my right arm (not even having a grip on it) so just my swinging arm and releases... oh and guess what the flipping clip on the safety had somehow come off the kite (possibly being hit by a big wave earlier... no idea how really) I am 100% sure that I clipped it on beforehand, sometimes the clip doesnt like swinging closed (it brand new pretty much ). Kite got wrenched outof my hands and sails off into the water.

My god... I was swearing at my leash ... I am now certain that the safety system is made for f****** hamsters. So I may just give shortening it a try.

Oh and just to make my day, somehow my chicken loop came off my harness while I was riding at a wave, never had it happen before.

I couldn't say that none of this was due to me being careless, but holy crap... that kite didnt like me today



Geez jimmyz, iv ot a 06 td and iv never had any of this happen. Iv had to pull my safety in an emergency as as long as theres tension in teh lines, it work great. I did buy this kite second hand and the previous owner might of tweaked it a bit though.



Both my T2's have never had this problem, take it back and they will replace the bar as its an obviously a defected system.
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
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22 Jan 2008 11:04am
As a yachtie I've always rinsed and check my gear, I find it amazing how many people choose not to (not saying anyone in the post). But come on it's your safety release its worth checking every couple sessions if not everytime you go out.

I've got the North 08 Iron heart and it works really well and find that it doesn’t clog up with sand and salt easily, though I'm sure it would if you left it un rinsed and never opened it up. Just wish that it had a swivel, just means that you need to learn to spin both ways.
BoDiddly
BoDiddly
VIC
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22 Jan 2008 1:26pm
Been riding with the 07 iron heart for nearly a year now, love the thing, usually pull it when landing at the end of the day, will re-set it and then pull it again when giving the lines/bar a rinse at home, super reliable and it's interesting to see that even with a little bit of sand you can feel how it could get stuck if you either didn't use it or at least check it once in a while...

Sand get's friggin everwhere!
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
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22 Jan 2008 2:41pm
I don't think there is anything which could be deemed 'faulty' really apart from the clip on the safety leash not closing unless I myself close the gate, but now I know to double check everything and generally its all fine.

I was just saying how the safety release requires such a small force to open that it does so unintentionally at times, just from glancing pressure from my arm once.

Well, it is definantly on the overly safe side, I really dont think I'd have many problems depowering and pulling the safety if I ever really needed to



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