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eyespy
eyespy
WA
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WA, 8 posts
8 Feb 2006 9:56am
Now that title should have got your attention!
Hey I’m sure you kiter guys wont mind if I windsurf in the comp area this weekend and get in your way as payback for Nials on a red kite and Gary on a grey kite who persistently want to kite amongst the windsurfers down at Scarborough. Whats with these two guys? when they were windsurfers they were arrogant sailors dropping in on people and now they kite they still think they are windsurfers cause they want kite with the windsurfers.
At Scarborough things are pretty usually pretty good the kiters stay upwind in their group and the windsurfers down wind in their group. The waves look the same size and shape in both spots, Why do they rig with the kiters and then come down and get in the way? Maybe they are trying to show off. It’s probably just their arrogant personalities I can’t believe the worst kiters are ex windsurfers. They obviously don’t care that they are causing friction between the 2 groups maybe some of you other kiters do and you could put some peer pressure on them. When some one eventually gets injured I wonder who which group will get banned from Scarborough.
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
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8 Feb 2006 11:53am
I thinbk there's something in that for all of us, don't you.

And that something is 'I can’t believe the worst kiters are ex windsurfers'.

I find that very, very easy to believe. In fact, it makes perfect sense in every way.

Think about it.
CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
8 Feb 2006 1:07pm
MAYBE NEXT TIME ONE OF YOU POLEYS SLIDE UPWIND AND DECIDE TO AIM STRAIGHT FOR US AND MAKE US GET OUT OF THE WAY I WILL GO ON THE FORUM AND BITCH ABOUT IT.
DO YOU GUYS OWN THAT AREA?
I HAVENT SEEN ANY COLLISIONS, I DONT SEE WHY EVERYONE CANT JUST SHARE.
THE COMP WONT BE IN YOU PRESCIOUS AREA ANYWAYS SO YOU CAN ALL SQUABBLE OVER THE 1 FOOTERS AMONST YOURSELVES.
Roor
Roor
WA
14 posts
WA, 14 posts
8 Feb 2006 1:24pm
Pretty unfair comment.

I am an exwindsurfer and always ask someone where the kite zones are before I sail a new beach.

I was out at Scarbs on sunday 2 wkends ago and a windsurfer (who had unfortuantely just broken his mast) pointed me in the right direction.

As an exwindsurfer I know what its like to have a kiter screaming towards me when I am wobbling about with water half way up my shins. Its Freaky and there are not many options!

Best not to generalise too much as people who do things as they should dont get posts on the web.

Stick to your own areas and ride safe!


8 Feb 2006 1:25pm
who are you anyway eyespy??
i'm sick of people not releasing their identity on these forums
maybe pole boarders should stick to smoking their crack pipes.....
or some sh1t?
ran
ran
VIC
333 posts
ran ran
VIC, 333 posts
8 Feb 2006 5:21pm
mate. a crap way to get attention. BLAH BLAH BLAH, talk about flogging a dead horse..
Oris
Oris
WA
127 posts
WA, 127 posts
8 Feb 2006 2:48pm
If you think the waves look the same lets swap, problem solved.
quote:
Originally posted by eyespy

Now that title should have got your attention!
Hey I’m sure you kiter guys wont mind if I windsurf in the comp area this weekend and get in your way as payback for Nials on a red kite and Gary on a grey kite who persistently want to kite amongst the windsurfers down at Scarborough. Whats with these two guys? when they were windsurfers they were arrogant sailors dropping in on people and now they kite they still think they are windsurfers cause they want kite with the windsurfers.
At Scarborough things are pretty usually pretty good the kiters stay upwind in their group and the windsurfers down wind in their group. The waves look the same size and shape in both spots, Why do they rig with the kiters and then come down and get in the way? Maybe they are trying to show off. It’s probably just their arrogant personalities I can’t believe the worst kiters are ex windsurfers. They obviously don’t care that they are causing friction between the 2 groups maybe some of you other kiters do and you could put some peer pressure on them. When some one eventually gets injured I wonder who which group will get banned from Scarborough.


kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
8 Feb 2006 3:34pm
I dont know...Ive seen bad on both sides.
Go south about 300m and have all of it to yourself...no swimmers, no windsurfers, nothing!
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
8 Feb 2006 6:44pm
Maybe Nials and Gary are the smart guys.
Why kite with a pack of kiters in waves ?
Too many strings, man.

If there has to be a crowd,
it's better to kite with the poleys downwind at the secret spot.

Spread the anti-hype,
Regards waveslave.
MikeN
MikeN
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
8 Feb 2006 7:48pm
Looks like you are just trying to pick a fight eyespy , otherwise why would you have started the same thread on the windsurfing forum .

As for who is likely to get banned first , lets ask the clubbies since the area that you want to claim exclusively for yourself is straight out the front of their club .

How do you think they feel , they have been there for decades doing their thing and looking after the safety of all water users .

Then along come a minority and set up on their doorstep whilst they could pick any spot on the coast .
These people then go out at right angles to all club activities so that there is the biggest chance of a collision .
Then just to make it interesting they block out most of there vision with a big piece of sail cloth .

If you think you are a little uncomfortable because there are a couple of kiters close by , go and ask a clubbie how they feel about you being there .

They have the most amount of power and probably could get us all banned but don't do it because they respect the fact that everybody has the right to use the area .

The reason those guys and myself are there with you is because it is where the BEST waves are .

We try and keep the other kiters not as keen on waves at the Brighton end by setting up there . If we were to set up at the surf club every tourist and newbie would just follow us there thinking that is the place to be .

If you are trying to be constructive here you have chosen a very poor way to do it .

All you appear to be doing is trying to harass and intimidate people so that you can enjoy an area exclusively .

If you do feel you would like a better relationship with the people you share the water with maybe start by trying to give way ocassionally rather than thinking that everybody should get out of your way .

It is unfortunate that you feel threatend by us , I personally believe we have greater controle and manouverability , that combined with the fact we have unobstructed vision , unlike windsurfers , we pose less of a threat than you do .

I seem to spend a lot of time avoiding windsurfers that are floundering in the shore break trying to restart rather than other kiters .

I have been kiting with the windsurfers for most of the summer and haven't felt any agro . I think that you are trying to suggest that all windsurfers feel the way you do when in fact I believe that most have become quite used to us being there . Certainly the regulars that are good at what they do .

Personally I am not looking for a fight , I just don't want my freedom restricted by somebody that has no authority or justification to do so .

Regards
Mike Bergman
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
8 Feb 2006 9:38pm
Hey Eyespy,

I tend to agree with Mike a bit on this one. The best waves are in front of the club and fortunately it is only really riders who know what they are doing in the surf that go looking for this more peaky and larger wave.

I also tend to come down into the windsurfing area when you guys are not on the inside or riding waves and only if there is a peak worth ripping. Most of the time when I am down in that area I ride past friends who sailboard in that area and most of them happen to be the better sailors of the group and we usually cheer each other on and smile as we pass. I am positive that if there was a serious rift developing amongst the greater majority, these guys would say something to me as a friend and fellow team rider.

I usually sense a good vibe from most windsurfers at Scabs so long as you ride competently and with courtesy. There are also several windsurfers that come in through the kiting area and we don't have a beef with them. I've had a couple of sailboarders gybe right on top of me multiple times but we usually just smile, shrug and continue on our way. Live and let live mate. The waves are all of our playground and we just need to learn to have fun and be respectful.

This is not another kiters versus wave sailors thread, if you love riding either equipment, learn tolerance and respect and sail by with a smile. If you ride with a frown on your face, your probably doing something wrong!

Regards and good winds to all,

Darren Marshall
aka Kitehard
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
8 Feb 2006 10:31pm
Eyespy's problem is that he's a poley who inherently fears kite lines.
Plain and simple as that.
Not surprisingly, he's just one of many.

MikeN, Kitehard;
There's nothing you can say or do that will please him or relieve him of his phobia.

Moving right along.......

Nice to see you guys have instigated a pecking order within your own ranks at Scarborough.
It's an absolute kiting necessity at any wave break to organise the chaos by way of a hierarchical system.
Newbie wavekiters need to do their time on the fringes and pay their dues before entering the zone.
Greenhorn kiters who find themselves out of their depth at the main peak,
are a fucn traffic hazard and a total killjoy.

Regards,
waveslave.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
9 Feb 2006 12:57am
righto,
i'm an exswimmer,who turned into an exbodyboarder, who turned into an exsurfer, who turned into an exwindsurfer, who is a kitesurfer, who is hopefully going to be an exinertiasurfer next decade,and a fully morphed fusionwavecraftuser in my later years,with a closed mind to my previous pursuits because i know everything!
or
you can be an accomplished waterman with an open mind.
hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
9 Feb 2006 9:21am
i saw a pole boarder go straight throught he 'kiting area' a couple of times at scabs yesterday but we don't all post threads on the windsurfing forum chucking a little hissy fit about it.
get over it focker.
Oris
Oris
WA
127 posts
WA, 127 posts
9 Feb 2006 9:28am
Greenleader you haven’t killed whales yet
quote:
Originally posted by greenleader

righto,
i'm an exswimmer,who turned into an exbodyboarder, who turned into an exsurfer, who turned into an exwindsurfer, who is a kitesurfer, who is hopefully going to be an exinertiasurfer next decade,and a fully morphed fusionwavecraftuser in my later years,with a closed mind to my previous pursuits because i know everything!
or
you can be an accomplished waterman with an open mind.


nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
9 Feb 2006 11:04am
I'd have to agree with you eyespy, at the train there is an area that's pretty narrow that's been a windsurfing spot for years and years, lately there have been a couple of kiters who decided that it would be a great spot to mix it with the windsurfers (I'm on a windsurfer). Bear in mind that there's an area about 400m to the north where lots of kiters go, no windsurfers go there as it's understood which craft sail in which area.

Mostly they're fine, but I did have an incident 2 weeks ago where a kiter overtook me upwind, then gybed about 10m in front of me and I had to take evasive action and go upwind to miss him. I was on starboard tack as well. Wtf?

I think the core issue is that windsurfers are generally more aware of the rules of the water, kiteboarders are more into doing tricks. Nothing wrong with that, but it does create friction when near misses happen, especially when someone isn't courteous, doesn't respect the rules of the place, and creates a dangerous situation.
the_kite_kid
the_kite_kid
9 posts
9 posts
9 Feb 2006 11:19am
Ha, some of the worst kiters are STILL windsurfers.

At least a kiter can control situations very quickly. You guys are wreckless once you get going. its a freight train that can't be stopped unless you jump off or just plain wreck...I'm surprised you don't splat each other more often than you do. But then again, you like poles up the bum anyway.
hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
9 Feb 2006 1:25pm
quote:
Originally posted by nebbian

Bear in mind that there's an area about 400m to the north where lots of kiters go, no windsurfers go there as it's understood which craft sail in which area.



can you read nebbian? i just posted that yes yesterday there were windsurfers in the 'kiting spot'.
so none of us are angels, not even windsurfers
9 Feb 2006 3:08pm
yawn
GreenPat
GreenPat
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4107 posts
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9 Feb 2006 7:06pm
Hey look over there; a funny looking dog!
niall barrett
niall barrett
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
9 Feb 2006 10:34pm
From the Red Kite guy To Mr Voyeur for starting this thread,

You know I love windsurfing and, by and large, I love windsurfers, but am willing to make an exception.

I regularly walk back upwind through the area in front on the Scarboro SLC. I usually stop for a cordial chat with the windsurfers, many of whom are friends.

I really get off on watching a windsurfer do a good bottom to off the top snap, done with style and power. Windsurfers have always said that if you can look good at Scarbs you can look good anywhere. To my mind Scott McKercher still has set the bar on performance level in Scarboro and that was back a dozen years ago, when he was a regular in the Scarboro washing machine. In his wake have come many talented Windsurfers and standouts [to my mind] today include Ben Arthurs, Matt Holder, Ben Severne, Justin Stock, Ash Nicol, Mike Galvin and others who let the spray off their rail in the bottom turn do the talking, rather than having a whinge in the apparent anonymity of a forum,

I spent more than half my life Windsurfing , I love it and have no reason to diss it. You and I are probably just alike, we love the freedom of the water, the dynamic power of nature expressed in the wind and waves, and then feeling it harnessed through our bodies.

I do not know you Mr Voyeur, but clearly you know me. You wont be the first or the last to whine about kiters on a forum. buts lets establish ownership of what we have to say, I use no Nom-de-Plume, I am uncomprimising but I like to be fair. Please feel free to introduce yourself to me, and if you're worried by my kite, lets have a friendly chat about it, talk through the issues in an adult way, and please let me know why it is you find my presence offensive.

You said a number of plain Mistruths in your posting, whether through ignorance or malice I do not know, and most of those have been already addressed by other postings.

Truth No 1---Of course the waves are better at the SSLC [there is no kite beach and no windsurf beach for that matter, no apartheid, just a beach], windsurfers [mostly] are not fools and on most days in summer the difference in wave quality really stands out, but particularly at the moment as the heavy rain has re-opened the drain upwind and pushed the bank out. Believe you me if the waves were as good anywhere else I'd be there [but then of course so would you!]. Believe it or not I'm thinking bash the **** out of the lip , not wondering whether I am entertaining the windsurfers on the beach.

Truth No 2 -I have never heard an incident of a kiter being physically or verbally aggressive towards a windsurfer, but the stories of the opposite scenario are, sadly for windsurfers, legion.
Dick and Angel stand out of course, and are quite happy to assault windsurfers as well as kiters, in fact just about anyone who strays into what they regard as their patch. Almost everyday I will have a windsurfer come over the back of a wave that I am clearly riding and sail straight acoss my path [slalom style] with a glaring **** you attitude on their face [obviously nobody explained to them that going straight to the beach is not wave-riding]. They probably bash up little old ladies crossing the road too, in between scouring penis enlargement websites on the net, and wondering if the anyone has noticed that it's a hairpiece. I say [and do] let them off.

Truth No 3 -- I'd rather be run over in the waves by a kiter than a windsurfer anyday [2 kilo board, body weight dangled from a string, short fins vs an [all up] 12 kgs of deep finned fully loaded windsurfer]. In 5 years of kiting I have never hit a windsurfer or other water user, I wish I'd managed the same record during my windsurfing career. I know incidents have occured but they have amongst windsurfers too, Kiters are mostly a danger to themselves, not other water users. Aggression on the water increases the danger to everyone.

Truth No 4 -- You were not here first.
There is black bloke passing outside your manicured front lawn right now whose fore bearers might have claimed that right, but your name does not sound Nyoongar to me [and sadly I never met one who windsurfed, in fact I just read the world's shortest book, 'socially deprived people I have met while windsurfing']. Our founding fathers created no free hold on the beachfront [nor on the ocean for the matter]. No one has jurisdiction [except white pointers]. If they had created Freehold, there would be a smarmy guy in a shiny suit bashing a FOR SALE sign into the sand right now, and you know something , you couldnt afford it because, like most lovers of the ocean, you too have spent too much time indulging your passions to make any serious dough, and it will be bought by some podgy share trader who likes to impress his friend's with the view and never goes in the water.

Appreciate what you have got Mate, start worrying about why you still lean back and stall in your bottom turn, Kiters are not the cause of your failure, and, like your Mummy always said,..[LEARN TO SHARE].
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
9 Feb 2006 11:24pm
NICE Niall - very nice
Eyespy
1) you come on the forum with total anonymity then publicly name and identify before you even begin your moan & groan whinging session - shame on U
2) you have the consequences of the mindless (& stupid) title you gave your post pointed out to you; in no uncertain detail; & you still havent the sense or reason to change it.
WTF - wake up

Eyespy with my little eye something beginning with total DH
4DICE
4DICE
QLD
158 posts
QLD, 158 posts
11 Feb 2006 12:12am
yeh if i see him in public i will pass wind in his direction
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