Seabreeze - how far does it go?

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oceanfire
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8 Mar 2011 10:53am
Does anyone know how far out to sea the seabreeze reaches?

That is; how far out could you reliably kite from the beach without the wind dropping off & leaving you stranded?

Are there factors which change the reach of the seabreeze, or is it pretty much a constant distance?
oceanfire
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8 Mar 2011 11:48am
Cheers; I did see that page, but it only states how far inland the seabreeze can reach.

I know there is a reef break, I think I've heard it said around 1km offshore, from a northern beach here in Perth.
Just curious as to how far out the wind actually comes from.

Of course, only go out as far as you can swim back etc etc.
dusta
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8 Mar 2011 2:25pm
think about where the wind is coming from and then rethink your question .


Do you think the seabreeze hits land at rottnest and then between rottnest and the mainland is just dissapears ?
oceanfire
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8 Mar 2011 2:30pm
ok, re-thinking my question;

Does anyone know how far out to sea the seabreeze reaches?

Still the same question
tightlines
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8 Mar 2011 2:35pm
oceanfire said...

ok, re-thinking my question;

Does anyone know how far out to sea the seabreeze reaches?

Still the same question


Depends on the wind
Hope that helps
seafever17
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8 Mar 2011 2:58pm
Really far.
Or a smidge less.

However its best to kite at edge of ocean due to lack of parking in the middle.
oceanfire
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8 Mar 2011 3:08pm
tightlines said...
Depends on the wind
Hope that helps


I find that much more useful as an answer to social invitations
oceanfire
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8 Mar 2011 3:22pm
seafever17 said...

Really far.
Or a smidge less.

However its best to kite at edge of ocean due to lack of parking in the middle.


yeah, I thought it was something like that, but I'm not sure of the conversion factor to convert it to black stumps.
dusta
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8 Mar 2011 3:51pm
oceanfire said...

ok, re-thinking my question;

Does anyone know how far out to sea the seabreeze reaches?

Still the same question


it comes from further out than you will ever reach . that good enough ?
oceanfire
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8 Mar 2011 4:00pm
No! it's never enough!
It's ok if you don't know; perhaps you could post a question on Seabreeze to find out?
GalahOnTheBay
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8 Mar 2011 7:02pm
oceanfire said...

Does anyone know how far out to sea the seabreeze reaches?


Don't know, but sure sounds like you have something in mind...

I would suggest not far enough for you to get to NZ or Tasmania, at least not on a seabreeze.
oceanfire
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8 Mar 2011 4:23pm
Nope, got nothing planned & don't have the experience to have gone, or to go out that far.

It was purely an intellectual question, I'd never considered the question till I took up kiting.

So don't worry guys, I'm not preparing for any stunts that'll get us all banned or anything like that.
Am just curious, and still are.
If anyone does know, please post the answer.


p.s.- mother hens feel free to post your comments too; I love the responses these seemingly simple questions elicit
djdojo
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8 Mar 2011 9:45pm
A perfectly reasonable question to ask, and no need for snide responses.

I don't know the answer, but the fact that Rotto gets in on good seabreeze action suggests it may be a fair way out.
newracer
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8 Mar 2011 6:54pm
Hey guys check out the following site. It gives a fairly detailed explanation behind the seabreeze.
www.sail-world.com/USA'Sea-Breezes-and-Why/21958

[EDIT] It mentions - "Typically you will find the breeze extends out 50 to 60 km offshore by mid-afternoon, with the speed increasing from a few knots at the seaward extremity to 15 to 20 kts near the coast."
Weta
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8 Mar 2011 6:57pm
How about putting your question on the yachting forum they tend to go out a bit further than Rotto.

There are wind maps on BOM that show you the wind strengths offshore it tends to pick up the further from land mass you get as there is'nt disturbance from said land mass.

1 km out isn't that far so if you're asking the question then maybe wait.
jas73
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8 Mar 2011 9:22pm
I am guessing here but it would have to do with wether it's a seabreeze or a front like if we get a seabreeze in Brisbane(From the north east) it is caused by low pressure and a high temperature which would start closer in than a south easterly that can push up from far down south.
windangoesoff
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8 Mar 2011 10:26pm
I reckon this calls for an experiment. oceanfire ... we can sponsor you per kilometre that you make it from shore .. all the money raised can go to the navy for your rescue.
shannon8888
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8 Mar 2011 10:55pm
not sure of the answer but iv'e kited not much more than a kite line length from shore powered up while mates on the beach struggled to keep kites in the air so haveing witnessed this would like to know where the wind goes ???? was a NE seabreeze
wishy
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8 Mar 2011 10:13pm
My mate Lucas is a crazy little bastard and he sets his stopwatch and kites 30min out and 30min back. He reckons it actually gets stronger after about 20min. You lose this maniac 'confidence' the first time you ping a line and self rescue a couple of kms through juicy swarms of WA's healthiest jellyfish.
toddws
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8 Mar 2011 10:59pm
oceanfire said...

Cheers; I did see that page, but it only states how far inland the seabreeze can reach.

I know there is a reef break, I think I've heard it said around 1km offshore, from a northern beach here in Perth.
Just curious as to how far out the wind actually comes from.

Of course, only go out as far as you can swim back etc etc.

little island off pinnaroo is about 1.6k or a mile out, quite easily kiteable, the key is not to venture out on your own, in case it goes tits up, go in threes 1 kite to fail, one to bring the kite back, and one to bring the rider and board back.

If the wind is good it takes 2/4 mins to get back, but as everyone else has said, don't go out further than you are prepared to swim back.
chelles888
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8 Mar 2011 11:58pm
apologies to RPM for the comment made earlier from my profile, left my page wide open to houseguests present and they went a bit overboard lol was not very nice but in their defence they were on the piss....its been a long weekend....in my defnece me being a newb has nothing to do with it. Happy Kiting:0) xx
chelles888
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9 Mar 2011 12:04am
and actually just noticed that RPM's orginal comment to this post was deleted. seems it gets done in many posts or maybe just dissapears either way explanation in case anyone wants to know in relation to me earlier comment:
he replied to oceanfire saying if he had to ask that question he basically isnt experienced enough to go out that far, i thought as did my mates who commented, that is was a fair question so his reply was actually uncalled for , i do agree my profile comment was a bit too far but well its over now...



chelles888 said...

apologies to RPM for the comment made earlier from my profile, left my page wide open to houseguests present and they went a bit overboard lol was not very nice but in their defence they were on the piss....its been a long weekend....in my defnece me being a newb has nothing to do with it. Happy Kiting:0) xx


AKSonline
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9 Mar 2011 12:28am
Hi Peeps,

I'm not sure but can contribute my experience. I can tell you that the seabreeze starts a lot further than 75 kilometres offshore. Whilst spearfishing 75km west of Dongara, the breeze started to turn as we left, and was blowing by the time we got back (1.5hrs later)

DM



oceanfire
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9 Mar 2011 8:36am
Darn it, I leave work & miss all the action!
I even got censored

Not sure what I missed, but it sounds like it was a lot of fun.
Was it necessary to censor? I don't take offence at the snide comments, this is the internet after all; it's all fun & games

Thanks for the replies, informative as well as the funny ones.

I'm a fairly analytical person, so I always try to quantify things; I figured the seabreeze would start a long way out, but now I've a much better idea of how far.

Windangoesoff- sounds good mate, you've hit on the formula;
Step one- do something stupid, get into trouble & require rescuing
Step two- get lots of tv news coverage of the search & rescue, later do media interviews about your ordeal & cry on camera, then write a book about the experience
Step three- Profit!!

I'm in!
shannon8888
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9 Mar 2011 1:14pm
shannon8888 said...

not sure of the answer but iv'e kited not much more than a kite line length from shore powered up while mates on the beach struggled to keep kites in the air so haveing witnessed this would like to know where the wind goes ???? was a NE seabreeze


i guess it goes up then
Vatos Locos
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9 Mar 2011 11:07am
well ive kited out to the horizon before basicly to the point where you cant see any land kinda scary but yet fun make sure you take a epirb wear a life jacket tell someone where your going but most of all make sure ALL of your gear is up to date and new otherwise enjoy
GalahOnTheBay
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9 Mar 2011 3:34pm
You forget to add a step - get sponsorship

oceanfire said...

I even got censored


Only because your reply was out of context after the one you responded to was nuked for being, well, not quite in the spirit of sharing the stoke.
oceanfire
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9 Mar 2011 1:10pm
GalahOnTheBay said...

You forget to add a step - get sponsorship


That sounds like an offer; I humbly accept

upsidedowner said...

well ive kited out to the horizon before basicly to the point where you cant see any land kinda scary but yet fun make sure you take a epirb wear a life jacket tell someone where your going but most of all make sure ALL of your gear is up to date and new otherwise enjoy


That sounds like a bit of fun, but I think I'll hold off for a bit until I'm a little better. And the sponsorship money comes through.
Hiaza
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9 Mar 2011 4:00pm
Seabreezes here on the west coast are a little unique. Depending on a number of factors the seabreeze can extend 80-100 nautical miles (148 - 185km)from the coast.

The huge range is caused by the inland desert but also the warm waters of the Leeuwin current which can actually start it's own thermal breezes.

As to why the breeze can be lighter on the beach than 20m from shore, it's called ramp up. As the wind lifts over the shoreline, it backs the breeze up causing it to "ramp up".

A cabrinha rider would probably explain it better as it mainly happens with taller & wider objects such as trees. On the leeside of a large ramp up (island) you will have a vacuum where the wind will come from 180deg.

Hope that helps the confusion.....

oceanfire
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9 Mar 2011 4:31pm
Ah, very good.
Cheers for that
AKSonline
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9 Mar 2011 5:26pm
Hey Hiaza,

I think you'll find the phenomenon Oceanfire is talking about is where there is a high pressure south of the state sending winds in a North Easterly direction or offshore. The seabreeze can be pumping SW just 50m offshore and yet still easterly on the beach.

If anyone has been on here long enough (2003) remembers the first Port Beach to Rotto race. We were all sitting baking in the heat on the beach with a gusty easterly blowing. Meanwhile the boats stationed across the channel were reporting in 25knots of Freo Doctor goodness. It came in to within 200m of the beach where it was whitecapping madly and yet we could feel eastery wind on our backs.

Very frustrating as it never reached the beach, but had we been 300m out, we could have been kiting.

The seabreeze goes head to head against the easterly and they cancel each other out. The easterly likely gets pushed up over the doctor as it is warmer and less dense.

That what you mean?

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