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specimen
specimen
WA
221 posts
WA, 221 posts
12 Mar 2008 11:40pm
When people start kiting buy a new kite and have a few lesson are they not taught how to self launch anymore. Sometimes I find it incredible fraustrating when your rushing to get out there and a few people ask for a launch and you have to run around the beach throwing up kites. Don't get me wrong I think it's a good thing to do and creates good karma and frendships but people should know how to do it and not rely on other people so much. If you are having a kite and know ones there, who's going to launch you.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
13 Mar 2008 12:06am
Hi Specimen,

We teach self launch to all our students, it's part of Level 1 first lessons. We also teach students to not self launch if they dont have to. The reason being, most times a self launch works out OK, but an inexperienced kiter who has a bridle or pigtail that gets tangled on launch may not have the skills to handle a looping kite on launch and may be injured or injure someone else.

A kiter was killed during an assisted launch not so long ago when the assistant didn't notice a pigtail which was flapping had wound and knotted itself shortening one back line by about 12 inches. This resulted in a looping kite on launch and he was killed by several severe impacts. He was experienced.

A Noob has no chance if it goes wrong in strong winds. We suggest they learn self launch in light winds and ask for an assisted in stronger winds until they have more experience.

I don't mind launching and landing kites for people. I get to meet heaps of kiters and know that they will definately get a safe launch if I help out. Being on the beach all day I launch and land dozens of kites everyday. Maybe you just need to look at it from a different perspective. Pride yourself in being the best kite bitch on the beach. I have saved so many potential injuries/deaths??? by noticing lines on the wrong way, bridles being caught etc etc.

Bring it on! Good winds,

poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
13 Mar 2008 12:07am
Damn incosiderate some people even want you to land their kite too.

Next time someone asks for a launch or a land smash them in the face with the nearest brick.
specimen
specimen
WA
221 posts
WA, 221 posts
13 Mar 2008 12:17am
Look I don't mind it either most of the time I just never see people self launching anymore. In the begining that was the way it was I and a lot of other people Rigged up, Self launched and on your way.

Keep it real.
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
13 Mar 2008 1:35am
I always prefer getting launched by/launching someone else. I have never understood people that self launch when there are other kiters around on the beach. It's a far more safe way and have you helped the guy once you're more likely to help them again, if something should go wrong on the water. If we can't help on the water, which I know is not always possible, at least we can do our share on the beach. After all, it only takes a minute.

Same with landings. I have noticed some people walk around on the beach totally oblivious to what other kiters on the water or just coming out of the water are doing. Lift you head up, look out and see if someone needs a landing. If they do the sign (pat on the head), grab their kite, flip it over. Again, it only takes 10-20 seconds. You don't know they may have an equipment malfunction or an injury and need to bring it down safely as fast as possible.

Having said all that I won't hesitate self landing or launching if there is noone else around and I think everyone should learn how to do it.
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
13 Mar 2008 6:06am
Self launching on a busy beach is probably a bad idea, as there is that moment in time where you haven't got much control of the kite.

With SLE/bow kites I understand the method is to use a weighted object to hook onto the chicken loop, set the kite on its side sort of just bounching there, then run back to the bar, pick it up and go for it? Apart from being another thing to carry or lose on the beach, that sounds dangerous, if you say, are launching in St Kilda... If you go up to Lancelin where you could use the towbar on you car as you can park on the beach, then I could see it being a good technique. The C Kite method of folding the wingtip over seems to be impossible because of the bridle.

So, I would rather be assisted mainly for the safety of others but also because it generates a bit of community and friendliness between kiters.
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
13 Mar 2008 10:29am
lostinlondon said...


With SLE/bow kites I understand the method is to use a weighted object to hook onto the chicken loop, set the kite on its side sort of just bounching there, then run back to the bar, pick it up and go for it?


That's one way to do it, not very convenient carrying arround a weight like that though. We are talking something solid like a tree rooted to the ground or a car. Better way is to flip the kite over, and cover the wintip with sand to keep it in place then go back to the bar and as you tighten the lines (if you have put the kite in the right position) it catches the wind and with a bit of tugging and pulling you'll be able to shake the sand off and launch it.


sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
NSW, 509 posts
13 Mar 2008 12:34pm
These days I can self launch my kite quicker and easier then going to ask someone to launch it for me..
Although it can be intimidating when you start the more you practise the better you get at it. Every one should be taught it in there first lesson..
Remember you should always have your safety properl;y attached so if anytihgn goes wrong you can just hit the quick release and your kite falls safely to the ground..
Choady
Choady
NSW
72 posts
NSW, 72 posts
13 Mar 2008 12:43pm
Self launching also exposes the kite to lots of rubbing accross the sand, pebbles, shells, sticks etc whilst getting it airborne. (if not using the method of fixing to an anchor point and sitting kite on wingtip at edge of window.)

I been doing lots of self launching over the last few months cause theres been no one around and I can see the LE getting thinner and thinner with lots of abrasion type scuff marks. Had to patch a small tear in it last week too.
GlenMorangie
GlenMorangie
WA
88 posts
WA, 88 posts
13 Mar 2008 12:48pm
I prefer to have someone help out as you can always just do a last visual check on your lines with someone holding it ready for launch. The other reason is I am still not completely confident in self launching. An assisted landing seems to be far easier than self landing. I will always be looking for someone to land me. As suggested, it builds karma - what goes around comes around.
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
13 Mar 2008 2:52pm
specimen said...

When people start kiting buy a new kite and have a few lesson are they not taught how to self launch anymore. Sometimes I find it incredible fraustrating when your rushing to get out there and a few people ask for a launch and you have to run around the beach throwing up kites. Don't get me wrong I think it's a good thing to do and creates good karma and frendships but people should know how to do it and not rely on other people so much. If you are having a kite and know ones there, who's going to launch you.

bloody selfish attitude.
honestly - how much time does it take out of your session to launch or land a kite.
10 seconds. If everyone starts self landing and launching - there are definately going to be more kitesurfing related incidents => more beaches banned.
less places to kite. Just suck it up and help each other.


coastflyer
coastflyer
SA
601 posts
SA, 601 posts
13 Mar 2008 5:51pm
Personally, I prefer self launch with my rebel because it is so easy. I lay the lines downwind of kite with the bar upside down, and then hook up 5th line first and then the chicken loop. Then I just gently pull the furtherest front line walking slowly backwards and the back of the kite starts to catch air and it slowly launches while sitting on it's wingtip. Now you can check that everything is O/K before flying it overhead. Landing is sort of in reverse except you just tug on 5th line when it's parked on it's wingtip. Does that sort of make any sense? Like most kiters, I also offer assistance when asked or I think that it's required, as said before - what goes around, comes around!
gesper
gesper
NSW
518 posts
NSW, 518 posts
13 Mar 2008 9:19pm
I sometimes prefer to do self launches even though there are others on the beach to assist because on a few occasions I havent even had a chance to even check my lines before the assistant has tossed the kite into the air (even being an experienced kiter ).Now if a line was crossed over would it have helped by having someone assist in the manner I have just described.And I cant believe how often I see this happening persons assisting launching that have no idea .
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
14 Mar 2008 7:12am
teabaggin said...

I sometimes prefer to do self launches even though there are others on the beach to assist because on a few occasions I havent even had a chance to even check my lines before the assistant has tossed the kite into the air (even being an experienced kiter ).Now if a line was crossed over would it have helped by having someone assist in the manner I have just described.And I cant believe how often I see this happening persons assisting launching that have no idea .


I have had that happen to me too, experienced kiters pretty much just throwing your kite in the air. And that's why I now always say "please don't let go of the kite until I give you a thumbs up."

On the flip side, I think it has also made me a better assistant, because I always take a couple of seconds to check the lines from the kite end, and never let go of the kite until I get a definitive signal from the pilot.

I also agree with the wear factor. If you have a rocky beach or one of those sandy beaches with sharp shells, why increase the wear on your kite by unnecessarily weighing it down? That's also why I will hold a kite down on landing until the pilot gets back, just in case he wants to weigh it down with his board and harness.
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