Hey Everyone

I have recently added the new stopper ball to my chicken loop line at the recommended 50 cm's, im assuming that the ball is to be placed on the piece of line that travels from inside the actual chicken loop bit rather than the other line that travels from inside the cleat up to the figure 8..

I was reading on kiteforum that some people have experienced a 2/3 reduction in the available throw. I believe that the instructions provided dont realy explain which side the ball should be placed on and these guys have more or less installed it on the wrong side.

With the way I set it up, the kite can still be trimmed and the stopper is always 50 cm's away. Im guessing that because the throw on the chicken rope is so freaking huge that the chicken loop safety should still work, even though it wont pull past the new ball.

Any ideas? Steve, you would know, your like the oracle on this kinda stuff?

thanks for you reply Merman.

has anyone else noticed that when the trim is fully out and the bar fully sheeted in the steering lines are shorter than the fronts? I reakon this is why everyone almost always rides these kites with about 10cm trimmed in on average... so easy to oversheet in light winds without trimming correctly.

and back to the new stopper ball thing, if you have the kite flying well at 10cm of trim pulled in why would you only want 40cm of throw? and as it gets windier and you have 30 cm in you only have a 20 cm throw? sounds dangerous. I can see the advantage in not undersheeting and inverting the kite but i figured that the ball was there to stop the active stopper from ending up near the figure 8 out of reach...

The way I have it there is always 50 cm of throw and the stopper is always in reach to pull closer if i feel im using too much depower.

I looked closer at the manual and the sequence is clearly favouring mermans setup, I just find the idea counter productive for this type of kite.

ok, thanks merman

I agree to an extent, but I do put the kite through the power window, almost every time I jibe! thats the beauty of the design and I dont realy want to ride it like my old c kites!

I also use a slingy surefire spreader and have been flying with the spinning suicide connected to a front line for some time, not just when landing either. I cant stand the chicken loop saftey connector - i reakon its just a recipe for disaster.

I like to take every precaution when im on the water and drastically limiting my depower seems strange.

I'll check it out we only got some kits in yesterday, the ones we got last week are all gone and I left the yellow ball off my own bar.
Fantastic service again by Slingshot to send out this fix for the bar to give people a flagging/self landing ring. The yellow ball is supposed to stop the kite from over flying. I've never experienced this, but I have seen it with people who are begginers or not very experienced.

I'll get back to you when I get to work, posting from home at the mo.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

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Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2326661&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Check out the pics in that thread about the new 16M TD, they show the new bar as it is shipped from SS, and you can clearly see where the stopper ball needs to be attached.
It must go on the silver line that goes from your chicken loop up to the fig 8 ring.!!!
If in doubt go to a decent shop that can help you fit it and then go test it to make sure it is in the right spot, and that your safety still works.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack

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ABSOLUTEY - this is the ONLY way to set it.
Just picked up my refit kit as well.
Instructions re placement of the 'power-ball' are a bit vague and picture 9 looks like the power-ball is on the trim side of the chicken loop rope.
THIS IS DEFINATELY WRONG + DANGEROUS - DONT DO IT.
IF you are fitting the power ball (pretty optional 'feature' imo) it MUST go on the chicken loop side of the chicken loop rope NOT on the trim side. The max distance the bar can travel with the power-ball on this side will ALWAYS be the same.
The picture Steve posted of the 16M factory set-up shows this very clearly if you look at it closely.
If you WRONGLY set the power-ball on the trim side of the chicken loop rope you will have almost no depower if you continue to use the ring at the end of the trim line to attach your leash.
As Steve advises - if you are not 100% sure have someone who really knows check it for you.

For the bottom of Page 5 and the top of page 6 in this manual:

http://www.sskiteboarding.com/marqui/files/2006_Product_Info/instructions/turbo_bar_upgrade_6.1_reduced.pdf

The corrected sequence is:

1. Insert NEW chicken loop
rope through powersteering
dugout.

2. Insert chicken loop rope
through one of the two large
holes on the pointed end of
Active Stopper Ball.

3.Insert chicken loop rope
through chicken rope powerball.

4. Insert chicken loop rope
through free end of stainless
steel ring.

5. Conctinue to feed rope
down through other large
hole in stopper ball.

6. Insert chicken loop rope
through center of bar and depower
cleat.

I have used the advised 50cm throw, after testing I will advise if I find this to be the optimum length.

Cheers
Pete

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Originally posted by Rodley


Maybe it is just me, but the problem I have with the instructions is that they do not detail why you need the powerball. Before fitting mine I wanted more info, so far 3 emails to Slingshot have gone unanswered, so it is through forums I am getting the info. I find the silence, and lack of detail odd. They have produced a great kite, the warranty thing has gone really smoothly, I just wanted an answer. I think I have worked out I am going to ditch the powerball. (however I might put a felt tip mark on the chicken loop so I know the optimum point to set the stopper.)

The other answer I wanted was my warranty pack did not include part J - the "new moulded de-power handle". Do I need this, or can I fit the old one?

Drew

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G'day Drew

The "new moulded de-power handle" is just the black nob on the end of the silver depower rope, there is one in all the kites I have received from SS?
If you need one let me know I can send one to you at NC, Not sure why it is included because we have just been refitting the old one?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

Hey Guys

I reckon the stopper ball is there for a few reasons:

1. To keep the active stopper ball within reach at all times.
2. To stop the rider from drastically under sheeting the kite in normal operating conditions (ie - within the recommended wind range). This will hopefully stop people from having fly overs and inversions due to a lack of steering line pressure. (not something I have managed to do thus far as the kite is very well behaved).

Just one other thing,

I have noticed that the chicken rope has a tendency to get mashed flat when it is passed through the figure 8, this in turn makes the chicken loop cleat safety attachment less effective/safe as the rope cannot pass through the active stopper ball when the pin is pulled (this is why I don’t use the below bar safety).

Has anyone added a pulley to the bottom of the figure 8 to reduce the effect? I’m just sticking to the one line flagging safety, using depower as a deadman safety when its available at the bar is a joke, it would be a good setup for unhooked riding though, or people who don’t use a donkey d1ck and loose the bar a lot..