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Starboard tack = Right of way

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Created by newbie23562 1 month ago, 25 Jan 2020
newbie23562
WA, 26 posts
25 Jan 2020 10:26PM
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Just a reminder...

General rule, not absolute.

A reference:
kiteboardingwa.org.au/right-of-way-rules/

THE PIN PULLER
WA, 339 posts
26 Jan 2020 8:09AM
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More experienced rider is to give right away at our spot.

Bit fishy
WA, 15 posts
26 Jan 2020 9:21AM
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But if your from
France
Spain
Brazil
China
Japan
or the eastern states ,the rule does not apply to you ...

warwickl
NSW, 1351 posts
26 Jan 2020 12:40PM
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Bit fishy said..
But if your from
France
Spain
Brazil
China
Japan
or the eastern states ,the rule does not apply to you ...


And if there are windwings on the water chances are they can not see you.

Weta
WA, 871 posts
26 Jan 2020 10:37AM
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And if they are wearing those airbud headphones they cant hear you when you yell out Starboard. They also cant hear anything approaching from their blind spot including powered vessels.

I hope Pilot Pete isn't wearing airbud headphones

Sandfoot
VIC, 426 posts
26 Jan 2020 2:14PM
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Starboard rule is ****ty.

Person with the best advantage has right of way.......Just let the rider with the upwind advantage have right of way, easy.

Stops having to slow down and be all cheesy with a rule book.

newbie23562
WA, 26 posts
26 Jan 2020 12:29PM
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Sandfoot said..
Starboard rule is ****ty.

Person with the best advantage has right of way.......Just let the rider with the upwind advantage have right of way, easy.

Stops having to slow down and be all cheesy with a rule book.




With no radar onboard ain't ALWAYS easy to figure out who's actually upwind... That's why there's rules... one person mistakes/ignorance should not affect others, and rules/guidelines are there for this.

By the way, your keenness to no slowing down could be similar to someone else keenness to not loose way/course?

aint no deafer than anyone not willing to listen

Sandfoot
VIC, 426 posts
26 Jan 2020 3:48PM
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newbie23562 said..

Sandfoot said..
Starboard rule is ****ty.

Person with the best advantage has right of way.......Just let the rider with the upwind advantage have right of way, easy.

Stops having to slow down and be all cheesy with a rule book.





With no radar onboard ain't ALWAYS easy to figure out who's actually upwind... That's why there's rules... one person mistakes/ignorance should not affect others, and rules/guidelines are there for this.

By the way, your keenness to no slowing down could be similar to someone else keenness to not loose way/course?

aint no deafer than anyone not willing to listen


yeah sure, if there's no advantage to either rider - Starboard rule, generally speed into the wind means upwind.

you could always have the rules tattooed on you and show them to all present on the water - Just incase know one knows

newbie23562
WA, 26 posts
26 Jan 2020 1:11PM
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Sandfoot said..

newbie23562 said..


Sandfoot said..
Starboard rule is ****ty.

Person with the best advantage has right of way.......Just let the rider with the upwind advantage have right of way, easy.

Stops having to slow down and be all cheesy with a rule book.






With no radar onboard ain't ALWAYS easy to figure out who's actually upwind... That's why there's rules... one person mistakes/ignorance should not affect others, and rules/guidelines are there for this.

By the way, your keenness to no slowing down could be similar to someone else keenness to not loose way/course?

aint no deafer than anyone not willing to listen



yeah sure, if there's no advantage to either rider - Starboard rule, generally speed into the wind means upwind.

you could always have the rules tattooed on you and show them to all present on the water - Just incase know one knows


Nothing that you or me would really care, but your explanation of the meaning upwind can be improved mate

Mmmm not a tattoo, maybe signs at the beach entrance? There are for surf etiquette, so I guess there could be one for sailing also? But I see that could help to some extents only

Weta
WA, 871 posts
26 Jan 2020 7:19PM
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Sandfoot are you just stirring or are you absolutely clueless. 2 x sailors on opposing tacks looking to take the upwind advantage without bearing away is not going to end well.

What's your driving like assuming you still have a licence. Dont tell me you drive a truck and dont give way to anyone unless their truck is Bigger than yours and they have a distinct advantage.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1738 posts
26 Jan 2020 9:12PM
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When Harsh words and rules don't work.. try Art

Sandfoot
VIC, 426 posts
27 Jan 2020 5:26AM
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Weta said..
Sandfoot are you just stirring or are you absolutely clueless. 2 x sailors on opposing tacks looking to take the upwind advantage without bearing away is not going to end well.

What's your driving like assuming you still have a licence. Dont tell me you drive a truck and dont give way to anyone unless their truck is Bigger than yours and they have a distinct advantage.


I know at first you would think this wouldn't work, but I learnt this from kiting with a bunch of teens. They don't use starboard rule.

the kite that is further upwind has right of way and if there's no advantage to either person use starboard rule. This works heaps better than always following the starboard rule.

No, I'm not trying to stir you guys up.

Maybe try it with some Kitesurfers you know, peace.

Weta
WA, 871 posts
27 Jan 2020 2:47AM
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I'll give it a go Sandfoot

Sorry had a case of the grumps

eddiemorgs
NT, 368 posts
27 Jan 2020 5:43AM
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In waves , the person on the wave has right of way

bigtone667
NSW, 1149 posts
27 Jan 2020 8:23AM
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eddiemorgs said..
In waves , the person on the wave has right of way



Said no one on a TT boosting off a ramp ever.... :-)

VRBones
130 posts
27 Jan 2020 7:30AM
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Sandfoot said..
I know at first you would think this wouldn't work, but I learnt this from kiting with a bunch of teens. They don't use starboard rule.
the kite that is further upwind has right of way and if there's no advantage to either person use starboard rule. This works heaps better than always following the starboard rule.



The starboard rule only applies when kiters are on a collision course, so it sounds like you are using the starboard rule correctly. If kiters are not on a collision course, no-one has to yield (both can maintain their current direction). In addition to right of way, if kiters are passing closeby the other rule is that the upwind kiter raises their kite up and downwind kiter lowers kite to pass safely. This impacts both riders, so I wouldn't lump it in with right of way (which is to determine who maintains their current course and who yields)

newbie23562
WA, 26 posts
27 Jan 2020 8:57AM
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Indeed the advantage can work, probably best amongst more experience riders and friends (or friendly folks). But on a beach break, with both "locals" and downwinders passing by, a standard rule on collision courses can be more effective (in my newbie opinion)

Rider on a wave or approaching a known freestyle area have advantage, no doubt.

Downwinders generally f@*k the whole lot up, freight trains on tracks, right of way since loading the second car at the downwind carpark
(Sorry for the rant)

newbie23562
WA, 26 posts
27 Jan 2020 9:02AM
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SaveTheWhales said..
When Harsh words and rules don't work.. try Art



Ahah super tempting

KIT33R
NSW, 1681 posts
27 Jan 2020 2:26PM
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Don't forget, many newbees will have great difficulty changing course and raising or lowering their kite. We've all been there. They are easy to spot so give them plenty of room whether you have the right-of-way or not.

Gateman
QLD, 323 posts
27 Jan 2020 5:56PM
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Posted this every time this topic comes up but should also be in the newbie section:


hope it clears some things up. Cheers

iandvnt
QLD, 561 posts
27 Jan 2020 6:34PM
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Starboard!!!! said no one ever while kiting.

wishy
WA, 1426 posts
28 Jan 2020 8:28PM
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If you are sixty foot in the air, and someone keeps riding towards you for seven seconds straight, who is in the wrong?

Should you have megalooped to land further downwind and avoid them?

psychojoe
WA, 655 posts
28 Jan 2020 9:27PM
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wishy said..
If you are sixty foot in the air, and someone keeps riding towards you for seven seconds straight, who is in the wrong?

Should you have megalooped to land further downwind and avoid them?


I think this has been covered before.
If you can loop, you should always loop.

Mark _australia
WA, 19682 posts
29 Jan 2020 1:58AM
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Sandfoot said..
Starboard rule is ****ty.

Person with the best advantage has right of way.......Just let the rider with the upwind advantage have right of way, easy.

Stops having to slow down and be all cheesy with a rule book.


Rubbish.

We share the water with yachts, windsurfers, powered craft etc.

So when approaching on opposite tacks, starboard holds his line and port yields ........ well before the point of being close.
Its really fkn simple. Its what the boats are going to do and hopefully windsurfers also so the continued attitude of kiters that they're different is bloody annoying.

Yes at a freestyle spot where its only you guys out - local rules
Yes in the waves, rider on wave had priority or whatever local rule. Fine.


But when on a big body of water going straight at each other on opposite tacks you gotta obey the Col Regs lest you end up in court.




kitcho207
NSW, 849 posts
29 Jan 2020 8:48AM
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General riding it should never come into play. person slightly downwind just lower their kite and person upwind raise their kite.
It's just common sense and a little courtesy. Whats really to gain by beating other people to a higher wind position? (other than racing)

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1738 posts
29 Jan 2020 6:09AM
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newbie23562 said..


SaveTheWhales said..
When Harsh words and rules don't work.. try Art





Ahah super tempting



There's a few ex service kiters that would be good at executing Err educating the Starboard rule.
Ghillie paintball fun Police, coming to the Pond, Woodies and your favourite spot soon



lotofwind
NSW, 5486 posts
29 Jan 2020 10:15AM
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When kiting with boats around, Live by the basic simple rule, Might has right.
Yelling starboard at a speed boat wont see you get far, but to a hospital.

RAL INN
VIC, 2796 posts
29 Jan 2020 1:31PM
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The main rule is simply that, as a vessel under way and making way, you must take all precautions to avoid a collision.
thats it. Every other rule is just a guideline. You have a collision the only thing that saves you is if you did everything you possibly could to avoid it.

iandvnt
QLD, 561 posts
29 Jan 2020 12:56PM
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Clueless.

As kiters since time began in kiting those further upwind.. keep them upwind.

Stop trying to reinvent the sports history like those idiots that are trying to say kiting is sailing. We are our own sport, always were, always will be... with our own considerations and safety needs. As for court.. wtf, great positivity there.. good luck with this .

Is this more dodgy kitesurfing australia agenda politics. .. let's reinvent kiting as a different sport (sailing) because there is funding available from sailing?

Keep kites classified as surf craft.. which they are.. in QLD.

And yes of course we do everything possible to avoid collisions.. especially with other vessels not least because impacts are straight to skin and bone and we therefore have the most to lose.

As far as kiter vs kiter, they are very cautious.. more than other vessels imo because we know flying a kite we have increased risks such as tangling kites together/ getting thrown/ looped which has caused death.

Any kiter that trys to get their agenda of shouting starboard at another kiter.. good luck with that lol!

Bizarre.

Floter
VIC, 107 posts
29 Jan 2020 2:50PM
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Something called commonsense

stray
SA, 147 posts
29 Jan 2020 6:38PM
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I propose a dont be a total dick rule.
so no boosting too close to others.
no showing off near newbies.
dont charge in close to the beach with a big air when someone is entering the water.
dont suddenly edge hard upwind in a head on situation.
Dont suddenly change direction and abuse others just because you are on a surfboard.
help others launch and land.
dont wear shorts over wetsuits.
Oh and you can smile, cheer others big moves, thumbs ups etc.



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