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Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
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11 Dec 2005 8:20pm
Hi,


What offers the best protection; A stinger suit or a full body wetsuit?

Obviously both together would be even better, but I was wondering if for instance a box jellyfish could penetrate just a wetsuit?


Also, do stinger suits cover your feet?


I'm a tad concerned about heading out into the North Queensland waters and want to cover everything I can. Which begs the question, how do you protect your face?

I would hate to come off my board and be dragged face first through a sea of jellyfish!


So I guess my question is whats the abosulute best protection for a kite boarder in this situation? I've seen stinger suits for $50 odd, which is fine... but can you pay more for something more protective?
likuid
likuid
QLD
330 posts
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11 Dec 2005 7:28pm
umm i live on townsville.. and if your gonna be in north queensland your not gonna wanna be wearing a wetsuit WAY too HOT stinger suits do fine the cover down to your feet but not your toes or heels.. i've been kiting.. swimming heree for years they do fine.. your face!! there are masks but only 1 out of 100 wear them they still don't cover your eyes or anything
chance of getting one in your face are real slim as when the winds up the waters normally rough so they hang on the bottem of the water

any stinger suit will do.. you'll feel when ones on you through the stinger suit tho its not the sting itself but the parasites living on it which get through
Moby
Moby
NSW
26 posts
NSW, 26 posts
11 Dec 2005 8:41pm
But the real question is will you wear your boardies over the stinger suit?

and will the stinger suit match your kite?

Windchaser
Windchaser
QLD
72 posts
QLD, 72 posts
11 Dec 2005 7:56pm
Now be nice Craig - or someone will ask does your chrome helmet match your chrome dome .
regards
The Windchaser
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
11 Dec 2005 9:15pm
I guess you could wear booties to cover your feet?
likuid
likuid
QLD
330 posts
QLD, 330 posts
11 Dec 2005 8:34pm
if u really wanted you'd have to loosen ur straps and i think they'd be anoying
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
11 Dec 2005 11:52pm
But surely if you are going to get stung kiteboarding, it is very likely to be on your foot! That's the only body part always in the water . .....
Boxburg
Boxburg
QLD
144 posts
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12 Dec 2005 12:27am
Out today with the Yorkeys locals and everyone has a different solution. Some wear pants, some wear stinger suits, no-one wears a wetsuit. The sand is so hot it can burn your feet, so running around in a self saucing sauna suit is not practical. Water temp can get up to 30 degrees plus.
Some stinger suits have feet in them, some have heelstraps to keep them over most of your leg, and others have niether and leave you at risk because the action of the board in the water through the chop, naturally pushes the suit up your leg and exposes it. I think that is the most dangerous. When body dragging I try to keep my face away from the direction I am travelling. I think the jellies prefer to be within the first 15 metres of the shoreline, though I have seen large adults up to 100m out from Port Douglas.
I wear booties and loosen the board straps a little when in the river mouth at Machans, because the water is still calm and the jellies love the still shallow stuff. Especially around estuaries. When the wind is up and there are swells, then it's a lot safer. Some recent research has found that the adult cyronex heads to the bottom after about 3 in the arvo and has a snooze, but wakes if there is any vibration. Just to keep it interesting another species has been discovered on the reef as well.
My understanding of how stinger suits work is that there only needs to be a thin layer between you and the tenticles, enough to fool them that you are inorganic, and they won't fire. Years ago as a clubbie, we'd wear stockings - one pair on the bottom and cut a hole in the crutch of another and wear it over the chest and arms. The stinger suits take it to the next level, though it is still somewhat emasculating to wear neck to ankle lycra.
It worked for me last season - I was landing my kite while still hip deep in the water and I was pulled through an adult's tenticles (mainly in the quads). I had boardies on over the suit, and felt a few of the nematocysts fire off. It hurt a little, and was sphincter clampingly scary, but the suit really did work. I wear boardies and a rashie over the suit every time out now.
What's best? Who really knows. My neighbour wanders around cast netting without anything and gets stung by various things 10-15 times a season. He carries around a squeeze bottle of vinegar and douses himself whenever he gets stung and moves on. Perosnally I think it's crazy. But he reckons he develops a resistance to the stings, and even says it gives him a bit of a high. Then again, there are some pretty unusual types here in FNQ.
My advice - wear a stinger suit, keep vinegar handy, make sure you're covered at least neck to wrists, to ankles, avoid face planting and you'll live.
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
12 Dec 2005 10:01am
Boxburg,
your summary is pretty well right. A few other things to bear in mind:

Box jellyfish (Chironex fleckeri) are far more dangerous than the various Irukandji jellyfish (Carukia spp. - now thought to be at least 10 different species). A good sting from a box (7m+ contact with tentacles) and the average person will be dead in 15 minutes. A good sting from a irukandji and the average person will be in hospital for 48 hours feeling pretty crappy, but they will live.

Box jellyfish are a mangrove and estuarine animal, and they only like to come out on the open beaches if the weather is calm. If it is windy enough to kite, it is likely to keep most of them up the creek. Overcast skies, hot muggy weather and light northerly winds are the high risk factors for box jellyfish.

Irukandji are found both close to the shore and right out to the reef. Northerly winds are again thought to be a risk factor for them, but they also don’t like the waves too much. In actual fact they are not that common – the scientists studying them have a hard time getting enough of the animals for their research. Your chance of running into one is probably 1:1000 or more, so you are in more danger from the kite, or from the traffic getting to and from the beach.

I’ve worked in FNQ as a marine biologist since 1987, I always wear my lycra suit between October and April and a wetsuit in winter, and usually a hood too for diving, and I have never taken a hit from a box or a irukandji (touch wood). Cover up and kite when the wind is over 15 knots and preferably from the E or SE, and you’ll be fine. The main question for all you style masters and budgie smugglers, is what colour? Interestingly, some recent research from JCU Cairns appears to show that Irukandji can see colour, and they actively avoid red, so break out the superman suit and leave the boardies behind!
Andy
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
12 Dec 2005 5:05pm
Thanks heaps guys.


Those were awesome responses.

Does the tide affect the risk factor aswell?


I thought if it is an outgoing tide it might also draw them out from the creeks?

I'm still a tad worried. Especially since I prefer kiting in the noreasters,
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
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12 Dec 2005 10:12pm
yeah, the tide could have some effect on the box jellies...the ones I have seen in creeks were generally going with the tide. However they can swim at about 5 knots, so can go against the current if they want to.
What draws them out of the creeks is actually food...they feed on prawns and small fish, and when the schools of these animals move out of the creeks in calm weather, the jellies follow. So just after rain when the creeks flush is probably not a good time to be flapping around in the mouth of the creek near Yorkies.

I went to a seminar on Irukandji last year, and the other thing that was mentioned is that the presence of irukandji is correlated with the presence of gelatinous zooplankton in the water, particularly salps. These are pea sized, clear balls of firm jelly to look at, and they often come in little chains of 5-10 all linked together. They are usually brought inshore by N winds and high tides, so be extra vigilant under those conditions if you find salps in the water.
hope that helps.

Andy
Shaund
Shaund
7 posts
7 posts
12 Dec 2005 8:17pm
I am actually travelling up north in the next month. If you get stung on the hands, face, or ankles, is that potentially life threatening????
I like kiting, but is it worth it???
likuid
likuid
QLD
330 posts
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12 Dec 2005 11:10pm
im guesing here but no... generally because the only people i think that
have died were either really old or young and were stung in major areas ie chest, back


edit: IS IT WORTH IT??????????

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
easily worth it ... i kite with stingers everyday theres wind
and so does everyone else
kiting can be a lot more dangerous then just kiting near stingers
im crashing into the water all the time and stuff never actually seen any jellys at pallarenda beach but.. after lving here 7-8 years
Bograt
Bograt
WA
5 posts
WA, 5 posts
13 Dec 2005 7:56am
Hi

I'm new to kiting and relatively new to QLD.
I saw a doco on the ABC last year about the Irukandji, arent they those little ones about the size of your finger?
They said they give symtoms similar to heart attack or stroke and believe a large number of people who have died from heart attack or stroke are actually victims of these little jellyfish.
Fortunately, for me, they're north of Bundeberg.

Thanks for the advice on the suits, great topic.

boggie
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
13 Dec 2005 11:05am
quote:
I am actually travelling up north in the next month. If you get stung on the hands, face, or ankles, is that potentially life threatening????
I like kiting, but is it worth it???


The chances of you getting stung if you are covered up are 1000's to 1.

A sting to the exposed parts of your body, from either a box or an irukandji, is not going to be life threatening, unless you have some pre-existing weak-heart or high blood pressure condition.

Kite your arse off, and enjoy the warm water, reefs, and green jungle - its the only place in Oz you can see all that!
Octane
Octane
WA
72 posts
WA, 72 posts
13 Dec 2005 2:04pm
Hey guys,

Very good topic, however I too have a question. I have recently moved from Perth to Cairns, I know, I know, why would I move from the wind Capitol of Aust.? Well, unfortunately due to work/career I was forced to move just as Perth was getting into there season. Anyway, when is the peak Kitesurfing Season here in Cairns, is it normally say Mar-Sep, and do you require Stinger Suits then, ie, are there always Jellyfish in the Cairns Waters? As I am terrified of them.

I haven't been on the water for ages now as my Kite stuff is still being transported from Perth, been 5-6 weeks now.

Any comments would be great.
Capt.Gumby
Capt.Gumby
QLD
354 posts
QLD, 354 posts
13 Dec 2005 4:36pm
Hi Octane

Cairns season is from usually march thru to sept. After april the stingers are gone and we don't see them until November. The wind is usually between 15 to 25 knots with the occasional 30knots. However, this wasn't the case this year. It was a pretty lousy season compared to years gone by. As you have no doubt witnessed since your arrival the wind is generally around 10 knots and rarely gets above 15. Perfect for the jellies. Rug up well and you should not have a problem. Machans beach is generally the best for the NE and Boxburg (post the link big fella as I have lost it!) has a weather/wind station hooked up so you can log on and see what the wind is doing.

If you have any more questions just ask, I would be more than happy to help out. Make sure you say g'day when you are around at Yorkies as the locals are a friendly mob.
Cheers
Capt.Gumby
Capt.Gumby
QLD
354 posts
QLD, 354 posts
13 Dec 2005 4:39pm
Hey likiud

How often do you guys get to kite in Townsville this time of year?? Looking at the graphs you seem to be getting some decent NE winds, is this commnon for townsville?

I have had one half decent kite in the past two months here in Cairns!!! Summer sure does suck up here!!!!
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
13 Dec 2005 4:48pm
Octane,

yeah, you must be loving this run of light northerlies we have been getting in NQ! Hang in there, the long range buoyweather.com forecast is showing a burst of SE round next weekend, and the monsoon trough descending, so things are going to change fairly soon. Anyway, it doesn’t look like Perth is getting too much seabreeze lately, and you’ll have the last laugh when you kite all winter in boardies and a rashie!! Once we get into the thick of the wet season, we usually get a few decent blows again, and of course cyclones can crank things right up and add swell on the outer reefs. Folklore has it that the easter weekend is the start of the SE trades, and they go (off and on) till mid October or thereabouts. This year was a cracker – we had heaps of solid 20knots through April-august. Try and get out past the wind shadow of the Yarrabah range if you can, north, south, or offshore to Green island, you’ll add another 5-10knots to what they are getting at Cairns airport.

Regarding your question – the water temp is the key to the decline of the jellyfish as we move into autumn. I’d still be covering up in March and April, and even early May if the water is still warm. June through September you are pretty safe. The box jellies metamorphose from their winter polyp stage up in the creeks once the water warms up a little in October. Irukandji can potentially be found all year, but their abundance is much lower over winter. I kite and surf all dry season in boardies and rashie, and/or shorty wetsuit, and haven’t had any problems. Diving (which is work), I still cover up as much as I can – there are plenty of critters in the water here that can sting, and my philosophy is dive all day in comfort, and take home the pay, rather than deal with stings.
Andy
likuid
likuid
QLD
330 posts
QLD, 330 posts
13 Dec 2005 7:00pm
had a pretty freakin good kite today on a N'erly didn't show up how much wind there really was on the charts.. i was nukin on my 12m for 1 and half still no reason to even be scared of stingers
lucinda seems the go but
its been blowin 20-23knots everytime its blowin n'erly
we're heading up on thur and fri
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
13 Dec 2005 8:19pm
Hey Josh,

that's interesting, I went to Horseshoe bay at 4.45pm it was 10knots gusting to 12, didn't even set up. I think these light N seabreezes get stronger closer to the mainland, as the airport was reading 15-16knots most of the arvo. Glad you got some action. Let us know how Lucinda works.
Andy
likuid
likuid
QLD
330 posts
QLD, 330 posts
13 Dec 2005 9:44pm
ahh see i went out at about 3 and was in by 4:30 and
the others started at 2 and were also in bby 4:30 as it dropped off like a mofo

hey andy we got room for ya to come to lucinda if ya want?
we'll prolly be heeadin off at about 10 or 11 should be nukin on thursday
Boxburg
Boxburg
QLD
144 posts
QLD, 144 posts
13 Dec 2005 11:49pm
All right Capn Gumby, here's the link to the cam.

http://203.26.188.157:8080/webcam.html

This is an oregan scientific solar powered wireless anemometer on the high water mark at Machans Beach - the "secret" local spot that works in ESE through to easterlies and northerlies as well as Nor Easterllies. (not so secret now I guess).
It has saved me all sorts of hassle when sitting in the office in town wondering if there's enough wind at the beach to kite.

The signal is sent back to an LCD readout in the house and I have a streaming cam trained on the readout. Beware, after a few brewskis I can end up twisting it around and pointing it at anything that takes my interest. I'm sure I've accidentally sent my version of the dance of the flaming a$$holes back to my wife's dad in Germany who logged on out of interest.

Whoops.

The meter is a little pessimistic - i.e you're powered when it indicates anything above 9.5 and when it's over an indicated 12 you're jumping. You can count on the fact that Yorkeys will be getting 3-5 knots more in a SE, but in E or NE, then there's a few less. I don't know why.

The great thing about this beach is that at mid and low tide you can get 1.5 km + long butter flat sections between bars that are a joy to carve up with a skimboard. I can be powered up on the skimmer with my Rhino 14 in 8 knots.

Obviously it gets much better as the wind increases, and the sand bars make it like a terrain park. One light wind day at a low low tide I managed to go across the Barron from sand bar to sand bar all the way past Ellie point, and further south all the way to the main shipping leads. Got a great view of the city. A NE opens up so many spots to kite, it is mind blowing.
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